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Old 09-09-2006
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Default LAPA AR 05 Bullpup Rifle

Found this 5.56 Bullpup Rifle, Its either Brazillian or Peruvian

http://www.wapahani.com/dcsmall29.html





Nice looking gun, Would like to know more about it.
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LAPA = Laboratůrio de Projetos de Armamento AutomŠtico, Brazil

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../1700/1766.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../1500/1568.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../1700/1764.htm
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http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../1700/1765.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../1900/1909.htm
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Dearest GRENADIER TOEBANGER...

The weapon as you call it DOES NOT EXISTS. I know exactly where this name comes from (I know the website where you read it, actually). Here is the truth about this weapon.

Its story starts in the late 1970s. Back at the time, the standard long arm for the Brazilian Armed Forces was the "classic" FN FAL rifle, made under license by IMBEL, their national arms industry. The weapon was called the "Fusil Automatico Leve FAL-M964", in English meaning "Lightweight Automatic Rifle, Pattern of 1964" from the year of adoption; IMBEL also made two other service-grade FAL variants, the "Fusil Automatico Leve PARAFAL-M964A1" and "Fusil Automatico Leve PARAFAL-M964A1/MD1", two sidefolding-stock versions of the FAL, the M964-A1 with 53 centimetres barrel, the M964-A1/MD1 with 45 centimetres barrel. These FAL-based weapons are still being manufactured by IMBEL (actually, the Brazilian-made FAL kits were somewhat popular between US-based FAL gunsmiths), and them are still partially in service within the Brazilian Armed Forces, though these are slowly and painfully switching to .5'56x45mm-NATO by manufacturing and adopting some FAL-based rifles in that caliber.

In the late 1970s, in Brazil, Mr. NELMO SUZANO, maybe one of the most brilliant gunmakers of the world, had founded a firm called LAPA - Laboratorio de Projeto de Armamentos Automaticos, SC/Ltda (loosely translated "Automatic Arms Engineering Labs, PTY-Ltd.") to set up a series of weapons with the co-operation of a metallurgic/plastic industry named HAGA. This rifle was part of the LAPA weapons system (the other ones were a .9x19mm submachinegun and a .22-Lr prototype carbine).
The rifle I am talking about is the one portrayed on the TOP drawing of the two you posted. It was simply called the FA-03 or FA-M03, standing for "Fusil de Asalto, Modelo 3" (Model 3 Assault Rifle). It was a .5'56x45mm-NATO bull-pup conversion of the FAL battle rifle, to make it more familiar with the troops and police personnel that had to receive it.

The main feature of the LAPA FA-M03 assault rifle was that it had about only 5 mobile parts, for complete reliability, and that everything was encased in a polymer plastic shell to make it basically "airtight" against any possible exterior "aggressive" (mud, dust, rust, etc.). This made it about 2 Kilograms overall lighter than the then-standard FAL rifle. Nonetheless, it didn't lacked firepower and accuracy. It worked flawlessly and was very accurate in assault rifle range. It fed via proprietary 30-rounder clear plastic magazines (à la Steyr AUG), but it was also made to accept M16-type STANAG magazines to simplify the commercial viability and the possible issue to troops and police personnel in countries which used long arms with such magazines. Another feature in common with the (then just introduced) Steyr AUG was that it could be converted from right-handed to left-handed ejection in a similar way than the AUG. It also used the same bayonet of the FAL rifle.
Its cocking handle was protected by the un-removable carrying handle. The fire selector switch was placed on the left side, at the base of the carrying handle. It had three positions: Single Shot, 3-Rounds Burst (a true novelty at the time!) and Full-Autofire. The LAPA FA-M03 had no manual safety; instead, another unique feature, it had a Double-Action trigger system which asked for a very heavy trigger pull for the first shot and worked as a manual safety.
The LAPA FA-M03 was demonstrated to the Brazilian Armed Forces around 1980. It was partially adopted, some hundreds were ordered and shipped. The adoption immediately called criticism, apparently the soldiers didn't liked the "toyish look and lightweight" of the LAPA, but then, this would not explain why over 120 of these rifles are still being held, mantained in mint-new conditions, at the MARAMBAIA Brazilian Army ground, for Special Forces use. The ultimate reason why this design was definitely discarded for full adoption was that, at the time, Brazil was ruled by corrupt politicians and just coming out from a military dictatorship. Being the National Arms Factories (IMBEL) still today owned 100% by the State and run 100% by the military, the Brazilian Ministry of Defense and the military itself didn't wanted to spend money on the private sector while they could muster all the defense budget over their own factories. They thus wasted the occasion to adopt what probably was the best assault rifle design of the time.
The LAPA weapons were also called for demonstration abroad, but political problems posed by the same Brazilian politicians and military blocked any export. LAPA died shortly thereafter (1983).
Interesting enough, Mr. NELMO SUZANO, the creator of the LAPA weapons, still owns a number of perfectly-running samples of these.

And now, the second drawing.

By the year 2000, NELMO SUZANO shown up at a defense expo in Rio De Janeiro with a new company ("Projetos Termobalìsticos SC/Ltda.", or "Thermo-Ballistics Project Laboratory, LLC.") and a new series of bull-pup weapons, obviously spawned from the earlier LAPA FA-M03 rifle but with some improvements and updates: ambidextrous ejection and fire control, manual safety, quick attachments for optionals such as tactical optics and aiming devices, lasers, tac-lights, grenade launchers, etc. Once again, it was based on the tried-and-true FAL design, fired the .5'56x45mm-NATO cartridge and used STANAG magazines (at least three of them).
The "family" was composed of four "members", three in .5'56x45mm and one in .9x19mm.
The FA-1 and CA-1 were respectively the standard assault rifle and shortened assault carbine of the group. The MG-1 was the Light Machine-Gun of the group, sporting an heavier barrel, and underslung downfolding bipod, and firing from the open bolt; the SM-1 was the submachinegun of the group, firing from the open bolt and using MP-5 curved 30-rounds .9x19mm magazines.
The main feature of these new TERMOBALISTICOS weapons should have been the inuxitately low production cost (Mr. Suzano talked about 150 US$ per single weapon), this making it immediately available for the low-budgeted Military and LE agencies of South America.
Nothing new was known further about this weapons system by then. Last time I heard about (2003) was because TJ was so glad to take a look for me on JANE'S, and they still categorized these products as "under development". If somebody could take a look again and report back, I think we all would be grateful.

Hope I enlightened you, Grenadier.

PICTURES LEGENDA:
#1: LAPA FA M-03 assault rifle, showing detached Brazilian FAL bayonet and STANAG M16-type .5'56x45mm 20-rounds magazine.
#2/#3/#4: TERMOBALISTICOS weapons series outline drawings. From left to right: CA-1 .5'56mm automatic carbine; SM-1 .9x19mm open-bolt submachinegun; MG-1 .5'56mm open-bolt heavy automatic rifle ; FA-1 .5'56mm standard assault rifle.
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File Type: jpg LAPA.jpg (18.3 KB, 18 views)
File Type: jpg Termobalžsticos 1.jpg (11.2 KB, 13 views)
File Type: jpg Termobalžsticos 3.JPG (17.6 KB, 12 views)
File Type: jpg Termobalžsticos 2.jpg (11.2 KB, 11 views)
File Type: jpg Termobalžsticos 4.JPG (11.2 KB, 11 views)
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A little mistake Pierangelo: your picture 2 is not MG-1 but ML-1 light machine gun

5.56 mm ML-1 light machine gun
Caliber: 5,56x45mm NATO
Operation: short recoil, selective fire
Feed: 30-round box magazine
Length overall: 822 mm
Barrel Length: 508 mm
Weight with bipod: 3.8 kg
Magazine Capacity: 30-round box magazine
Cyclic Rate: 700-750 RpM

5.56 mm FA-1 rifle and CA-1 carbine
Caliber: 5,56x45mm
Operation: short-recoil, selective-fire
Lengths overall: FA-1: 757 mm / CA-1: 640 mm
Barrel Lenghts: FA-1: 508 mm / CA-1: 370 mm
Weights unloaded: FA-1: 2,7 kg / CA-1: 2,2 kg
Feed: detachable box magazine
Magazine capacity: M16-pattern, 30 rounds
Cyclic Rate: 600 RpM

Drawings and infos from Jane's Website
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File Type: jpg 5.56 mm FA-1 rifle_brazil.jpg (78.0 KB, 7 views)
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A little mistake Pierangelo: your picture 2 is not MG-1 but ML-1 light machine gun

You mean my PICTURE #4, not #2 (the #1 is the LAPA rifle, the #2 is the Termoballisticos CA-1 carbine, the #3 is the SM-1 sub-machinegun).

You are right anyway. In Portuguese (the language spoken in Brazil) "ML" stands for "Metralladora Leve", or "Light Machine-Gun".

Does JANE'S states anything new about those weapons? Any status update, or prototype pictures instead than outline drawings?
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I said "picture 2" because itís the name which you wrote on the ML-1 attached picture: "Termobalisticos 2" (in 4th position).

No more informations, nothing, nada, wallu... I have some Janeís pictures because a few times ago, one Sunday evening, I was connected and registered (without subsciption) on the Janeís Website and at this moment, I donít know why, I had access to all the site. The following day it was again paying.
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