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.223 Remington type of WINCHESTER Q3131A ?

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He said it was made by IMI.
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Winchester Nato ammo IS manufactured in Isreal...which means it would produced under an IMI contract...
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.223 Remington type of WINCHESTER Q3131A ?

http://www.ammunitionstore.com/Images/Ammo/A021.9.htm

Correct Roger, that's four out of four, good job.
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Winchester Nato ammo IS manufactured in Isreal...which means it would produced under an IMI contract...

Not quite true... Olin M193, M855 and Q3131 is made at the Winchester/Olin ammo plant here in the United States.

Winchester Q3131A, as well as the various R223 lines are made by IMI in Israel, under contract from Winchester, using winchester brass.

Frankly, the IMI stuff is better .

Also, while M193, Q3131 and Q3131A are military or military spec loads, they are not NATO loads. Only M855/SS109 is 'Nato' 5.56mm ammunition, and thus only it should have the NATO cross.

That said, Lake City/Federal still makes its M193 with the same NATO-Cross brass that it uses on M855... So there's a bit of a difference between de jure and de facto here.
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But Uzi--
I've gotten several cases of Q3131A marked "Winchester, Made in Isreal" with "Nato spec" also stamped on the box--
However, none of the rounds had the Nato cross despite being green tipped. Stuff shot excellently-- alot cleaner than Wolf and a helluva lot more accurate than the lake city ammo--
as to Lake City ammo, I got some of their MP stuff and had multiple primers blow.
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As I said, there's a difference between what is 'in theory' NATO spec and what is actually considered NATO spec.

M193/Q3131[A] is made to US Army specs, not any NATO spec... Doesn't mean it isn't called that, even by the manufactures.
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