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MOSCOW -(Dow Jones)- Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport plans to sign a contract to build two Kalashnikov rifle plants in Venezuela, Interfax news agency reported Wednesday.
"They will not be joint ventures. Venezuela will acquire a license to make Kalashnikov rifles and ammunition in the next few years," the head of Rosoboronexport's exports and imports department Igor Sevastyanov said at an arms show, Interfax reported.
Venezuela agreed earlier to buy 15 Russian military helicopters for $200 million and is also looking to close a deal for 24 Sukhoi fighter jets.
Agency Web site: http://www.interfax.ru
-By Moscow Bureau, Dow Jones Newswires; +7 495 974 8055

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15 Russian military helicopters for $200 million and is also looking to close a deal for 24 Sukhoi fighter jets.

Now we'll have cooler stuff to shoot up!
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They can make AKMs now. Oh I'm so scared, watch me roll on the floor in fear:
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Somebody in Russia is laughing all the way to the bank. It doesn't take anything really resembling a "plant" to make AKM's, and to equip a military the size of Venezuela's, they managed to talk Chavez into buying TWO. And even keep it in Russia, where they can just keep it once Chavez does something stupid with all those mediocre guns.
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Russia sold some poor bastard outdated machinery so he can make AKMs in his garage. The saddest part is that Venezuela couldn't figure out how to do it on their own. Fuck I can build an AKM in a weekend with hand tools and a parts kit. I'm not impressed.
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First of all, Venezuela had ALREADY the machineries and the plants to build small arms. Their national arms industry is called CAVIM ("Compañía Anónima Venezolana de Industrias Militares", or "Venezuelan Military Industries Corporation"), and is to be found here. They import GLOCK pistols and other firearms for civilian and police use from Europe, they manufacture the ZAMORANA pistol (Venezuelan copy of the Czech ARMS MORAVIA CZ-G2000), they make copies of the FAL, and in the past they manufactured the "Browning High-Power" pistol and a submachinegun, roughly based on the UZI, called the "Orinoco-2".

Recently, the Venezuelan state started a series of trials to replace the old, outdated FAL rifles in service. The gun chosen was the AK-100 series (new concept Kalashnikov rifles), either in .5'56x45mm and .7'62x39mm, this last one probably becoming standard for the most part of the Armed Forces seen the wide availability of the cartridge on the market, the other being maybe reserved to Special Forces and Police. Such news are to be seen here, in Spanish (Venezuelan news agency).

ROSOBORONEXPORT will sell Venezuela machineries to manufacture the AK-100 rifles. So, what's the big deal? Everybody's making AKs now. There were even machine-shops in Pakistan making them for Afghans back in the 1980s, and this hasn't created -THAT- many troubles to anybody, did it?
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We're not saying it's a problem, we're saying it's a joke. The AK-100 isn't anything that far from a straight-up AKM. Why in the world they need plants to be in Russia to make them is silly; taking raw machinable steel to finished product to make AKs? All that could be fit into a large trailer; less with CNC tools. Hardly what I would call a "plant".

Chavez bragging that his army has AK-100's is like bragging that his army has finally caught up with the 1970's. And the fact that he can't do it in country is just sad when every other craphole country can.
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New assemply plant





High tech!

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Default I see it under a different point of view.

The manufacture and adoption of AK rifles is an advantage for Venezuela. They will replace the FAL rifles they have currently in service, which are aging both physically and morally, while the AK is an "Evergreen" that has shown, shows and will always show to be a perfect weapon under all conditions (and we all know it). The machineries will NOT be in Russia, they will be imported in Venezuela and the AK-10x rifles/carbines will be manufactured there by CAVIM. The AK-100 rifle is -NOT- a 1970s product, the AK-10x are the current Russian issue, them came out at the half of 1990s and are to be considered only one step back to the AN-94... which makes me think: why Venezuela hasn't directly adopted AN-94s instead? The Russians have the manufacturing capabilities but not the budget to make them for domestic use (the only ones who have the Nikonovs in Russia are currently the SpetzNaz). Venezuela could exchange AN-94 rifles for oil. Or, simply, Russia is giving away AK-100 machineries because they now have the budget to manufacture and adopt massively the AN-94? After 12 years from its final engineering, it would be about time. After all, Russia has the money to build new nuclear submarines that are one generation ahead from the more modern American ones (they -ARE- currently building right now), so where are the problems that prevent them from adopting the AN-94? It should even be much less expensive.

Anyway, the AK-100 is as modern as a Kalashnikov can be without evolving into a Nikonov. Venezuela is actually making a big deal in adopting them. The ammunitions are very common on the market, so that they could buy easily and very fast an enormous number even if they should not rapidly set up manufacturing lines for them; idem for the magazines, even hi-cap ones. The AK-100 rifles are way way lighter and easier to carry, operate, etc. than the current Venezuelan issue (the FAL); also, the AK-100 can be equipped with a wider array of optionals than the FAL. And, the AK-100 is cheaper than the FAL.

Okay, so, the Venezuelan army has made the right steps in small arms equipment (after all, remember, how many people there is, out there, thinking that even the US Army should give AK-based rifles a chance?). But then, what's the big deal? Other than for the Venezuelan public finances, of course? It will just be another Army equipped with AKs. There are dozens out there. I don't see the world coming to an end because the Venezuela is adopting AKs. And, despite of what many of yours think about Chavez (by myself, I don't have a good opinion of it, I consider him a populist, this meaning a man with extreme-right-wing-style totalitarist views/aims disguised as a socialist-style left-winger, a cheater of the People), I don't think that Venezuela will be representing an enormous problem, nor for the USA, neither for other Countries. They don't want to sell you their oil because they want an higher price for it? You pay it! It will still be a lot cheaper than one single day of war in Iraq, which still pays back LESS oil because the guerrillas thinker with oil rigs daily.
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