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Old 11-08-2006
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Default Big light bulb just clicked on about the Congressional elections.

I suspect election rigging... but not in the way you would think.

Now, as I understand it, the Democrats won, Rumsfeld is kicked out as a result, and Bush called up someone in Texas who's name escapes me and tells him that he's the new Acting SecDef.

Sounds perfectly plausible. Except for the fact that people in positions like that are never EVER replaced spur of the moment like that. They can QUIT spur of the moment, but his replacement was called up at the same time. THAT never happens. Meaning that the replacement was planned in advance.

This brings up a question, because if Rumsfeld was replaced just a week before this election, the Republicans easily could've retained the Senate, maybe even the House. So why didn't they? They had it in their power to change the outcome of the election and win, but they waited until AFTER the elections were over and done to actually carry it out.

The most obvious yet apparently unlikely answer is that they didn't want to win. They rigged the election so that they would LOSE. But if you think about it actually makes perfect sense. Bush's approval rating is down to under 35% I believe. If the Republicans retained Congress, things would progress as they are, and the approval rating would go down further until 2008, leading to a potential landslide Democrat victory.

But now the Democrats have 2 years. The main issue is said to be Iraq, and the Democrats want us out. So... what if we actually pull out?

Civil war of course. But civil war between Sunnis (like Al Qaeda), and Shi'ites (like Hezbollah). Two enemies of the USA start slaughtering each other over a country who's weapons, tanks, and aircraft we carefully destroyed during our initial invasion. They kill each other without our help, and the winner is left with nothing as a prize. This is a scenario that any military strategist DREAMS of getting. And better yet, the press will absolutely FEAST on the violence and chaos, reporting every grisly detail back to the American public. We take care of our enemies, and leave the Democrats with another Kosovo or Somalia on their record just in time for 2008.

Also, the makeup of the House... 49 Democrats, 49 Republicans, 2 Independents... the election of a Democrat Speaker is the only reason they claim victory. And they HAD to claim victory because historically, Democrats grab for power without thinking of consequences. This time the consequences will be dire. They now believe they have power, but all they really have is public accountability for failure, because now that they've announced victory so energetically to the public... they're expected to do things.

With a Republican president, and still half of the House, the only Democrat proposals that will be passed are the ones the Republicans WANT to be passed... the idiotic, useless measures, and the Democrats will take the fall when they go wrong.

The Democrats have grabbed up all the votes they can for power in Congress, but all they've done is give Republicans direct control over them. Just enough proverbial rope to hang themselves on.

The Republicans don't want Congress in 2006. They want the Presidency in 2008.
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A logical theory, but it has problems.

If we actually pull out of Iraq, I doubt we'll see the Civil War you speak of. Sure, it'd by Somalia for a few months, then it'd blow over. We'd see Iraq sliced up between Syria and Iran, the only real war would be on the Kurds, by both sides.

As a result Islam will be greatly emboldened by a huge victory against the United States, and it'll finally turn into an actual Islam-Vs-West war.

Know what?

I don't care, let's get it over with.
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Also, I don't think the Dems yet have the power to cause a pullout in Iraq.

Also, we need to see how Virginia actually turns out. It's too close to be called in my opinion, especially considering the makeup of absentee ballots there.
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Default Even without a pullout...

49-49-2? No matter how you look at it, they only have enough rope to hang themselves on. And with their public cries of victory, it's the only thing left that they can possibly do.
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Pretty much.

But it ain't over 'till the Diebold sings.
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Personally I don't mind so much when it's relatively balanced between the 2 parties. It usually means less gets done; and the more asinine far out agendas like gun control get backburnered or tied up indefinitely; like I wish some parts of the Patriot Act had been.

Legislation ought to be kept only to the most important things, and forcing bipartisan cooperation to do anything helps with that a little.
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Default The Patriot Act...

It seems in the long term, the Patriot Act did more good than harm for firearms enthusiasts.

Democrats have gotten their first taste of a police state, and didn't like it. And more of them are realizing that a disarmed public REQUIRES a police state for safety.

More and more Democrats are getting higher ratings by the NRA than their Republican opponents.
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#1: This should be in the POLITICAL section.
#2: The Republicans have LOST all the way. Get over it. These elections were a "Referendum For or Against Bush", as the medias in Italy and Europe generally have called it, and I have to say, that if that's what it was, then the American voters have prolly given him the warning. Face the truth.
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1. I already PMed to have this thread moved. I clicked on the wrong button without noticing. TJ will move it when he gets around to it.

2. The Republicans lost to a reforming and no longer blatantly anti-gun Democratic party who are starting to no longer rally behind the socialist rhetoric of their media figureheads.

I'm a Libertarian, so do not make the mistake of assuming I am in support of the Republican party. The Republican party as a whole was starting on the path that doomed the Democrats of the 90's, and on the note of stopping their travel on this path, I view the turnout of this election as a good thing. But I also acknowledge that this does make the United States as a whole weaker against outside threats, both deadly and otherwise.

The fact also remains that the Republicans had the means to win, did not act on it, and now have a chance (a good chance) of winning the 2008 presidential elections whereas they would have none if they kept control over Congress.

Don't mistake the 'light bulb' I spoke of as connecting dots and coming up with a theory out of thin air. I am a resident of Taiwan, and as such have access to thousands of years of Chinese history that are considered dangerous by the government of Mainland China. The history of political tactics and intrigue in China, and generally all of Asia make anything that American party politics have come up with pale in comparison, and not even European politics of heirs and honored bloodlines of the path can match ancient Asian politics.

I did not come up with the theory for this tactic by myself. I simply recognized it. I have seen it used, I have seen it succeed, and I have seen it fail in textbooks covering the entire history of China, and what just happened to the Democrats was /the/ absolute textbook case, and it could not have gone any better for the Republicans than it did. This is not blind support for the Republican party, it is an observation and assessment that I stand by fully.

The Democrats have been desperate for power, and votes, and now having gotten a slim victory, they are now in the position to do only what the Republicans allow them. And they will be allowed to fail again and again until 2008.
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I was a Republican in 2000.

I was a Conservative in 2004.

I was a Libertarian on November 7th.

I am now a pure Heinleinist.


But none the less, every candidate I voted for this year lost.

I live in a district the Republicans won.

Do the math PT, before you assume things that aren't there.



But frankly, while I think the American people made a serious Charlie Foxtrot putting the Democrats in power, I have abosolutely no sympathy for the Republicans. The exact level of sympathy that I have for a police officer who decides to open a suspected bomb without any protective gear surrounded by a crowd.

They earned this. McCain-Finegold Campaign Finance Reform [AKA the McCain Finegold Repeal of the First Amendment], no defensive action and support for amnesty when it comes to immigration. Giving into the Dems childish tactics on court noms. Lack of any real action on Iran and various other FUBARs in the War On Islamic Fascism. Spending our money like there's no tomorrow. That's only the first half dozen issues.

At every step of the way for the last two years, the Republicans have been pissing on their conservative base.

As a result, a huge number of conservatives who would have normally voted for them, either voted Libertarian or voted for their Ass [being on a couch election day].

I voted almost straight Republican in the last national-level election.

I voted almost straight Libertarian this year, because of the things I mentioned above.

Almost all of the conservatives I know in real life did the exact same.


You can believe whatever the media decides to spoon feed you, but the fact of the matter is the Republicans lost because they angered their base so much by being like liberals until their core supporters just said "screw you guys".
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