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Old 09-03-2006
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I've looked into the ninety-two but nobody's had one. I was itching for a new side arm bad enough I went for the kimber. Otherwise I expect that come this time next year, provided I live in La. again, I'll make a trip over to Texas, the Cabelas in Shreveport, or Princeton to Clark Customs for one though. I can never find a legitimate excuse not to add another Beretta to my collection.
Oddly though, I suspect more than anything that my fellow Americans dislike Beretta simply because it's not "American."
To wit-- the washington and Maryland plants of Beretta are the most productive in the U.S. today-- and besides, it fits a particular note in current American tradition considering that the two most heralded American companies, Browning and Winchester, are now owned by FN.
Not too long ago I was at the gun shop, lending a hand behind the counter, when this white trash baragola schmuck came in trying to haggle the price down on a Yugo SKS...evidently he felt 150 was too much for his trailer-park budget.
At the time I was showing these fellas an Extrema II and comparing it to the Browning Gold Hunter they'd been looking at. White trash spoke up and told me, "if you ain't gonna sell them something made in the U.S. You ought not to sell them anything at all."
I promptly turned to this fat douche who was playing with his navel through a whole in his Nascar shirt and said, "sir, please look at the stampings and tell me where these guns are made."
The beretta was of course made here in the good ole' U.S.-- the Browning? Made in Japan.

I love my country and my countrymen, but god help me if jingoism ain't a bitch in the firearms world.
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Old 09-04-2006
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That banging on your hip is most likely due to your choice of holster, and probably also your belt. When I carry a gun in a waistband holster, I only wear specialized gun belts made from two-ply leather, with the shiny side facing out on both sides. This contributes to a dramatic increase in stability as the bellt flexes laterally only a tiny bit.

If I were to stick to 1991-type guns, I would still opt for a hi-cap like a Kimber Ten-II made in Israel by BUL.

One thing that always bothered me about the M9 (aside from lousy ergonomics) was that no mattter what I applied to the gun, after a day in a concealment rig (whether IWB or shoulder holster) it was rusting. Some might say "Uh, did you think about getting it refinished?", to which I would answer "No, I got a USP instead."
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Old 09-05-2006
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It was never that the gun was banging on my hip, rather, it was just the weight of it. I use safariland tac holsters and nolan built rigs much the same as yours. I'll admit though to taking a liking to slide holsters, especially for small of the back.
Beretta's drastically improved the ergonomics in their existing lines such as the Inox and Vertec. I've not held a Ninety-Two, but word has it that it's even more comfortable. The PX4 though is very dandy, a much slimmer, comfortable version of the high power IMHO.

As to corrosion, you got me there-- my sweat is very acidic-- I can only wear titanium jewelery. Anything silver, pewter, plantinum, or gold must immediately be soaked in a glyocol bath after wards. Likewise, it's murder on any of my arms-- I've actually taken to wearing gloves when working on internals to avoid rust on the guts.
Of all the products I've used over the years-- I onlyt use three lubes now-- shooter's choice, Boeing (sp? as in the 747), and V80 oil by inhibitor. Slip200 is great for guts and an excellent moisture blocker.
Erstwise I've taken to using inhibitor straws and chips for that very reason.
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Rather than start a new thread for a gun most of us have seen, I went into the local shop today and found a Kimber Desert Warrior up for sale for a grand. I knew the guy selling it, and on trade for my TLE/RL, I got an even swap for the Warrior plus a pair of novak sights and 8rnd mags.
Just got in from spending an hour dismantling an old brick chimney i had as a backstop on the range. 150+ rnds and no failures. Best group was sub two inches, so I sat back popping old plow shares I use as spinner targets.
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Old 02-11-2007
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Come the Zombie apocalypse, I'll take a 93R over a mac or skorpion.
In a perfect world, I would have one of those. To me, the 93R is the Maseratti of fighting pistols. Ohh, a man can dream though. Godamn NFA
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Old 02-13-2007
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In a perfect world, I would have one of those. To me, the 93R is the Maseratti of fighting pistols. Ohh, a man can dream though. Godamn NFA

Clear your mind. The M93-R is a great toy to squeeze a few shots just for the sake of fun riding such a small FA weapon at the range; but all reports from trusted people that I have had (including, just yeaterday, from the Editor-In-Chief of the gun magazine I'm with) clearly prove that it's no "fighting pistol" at all, unless at VERY short ranges. It was very popular, to say, around the 1970s/1980s between the Police protecting governmental VIPs and private security operators "bodyguarding" some business tycoons (harrr, THEY could... ). But it's nothing more: a bodyguard weapon. Don't rely upon a 93R during a real, long and high-intensity shootout. You'll barely place a few shots on the target (unless you fire in semi-automatic: VERY accurate and steady then, but in that case you don't REALLY need a machine-pistol, right?), and you will run out of ammo pretty fast in the mess.
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Actually, I regard ALL handguns as vey close-up weapons. That's why I have an AR15
But I just love the idea three 115-grainers in a fraction of a second, and the 93R just looks utterly evil....
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PT was meaning close up enough you might as well stab them instead...
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PT was meaning close up enough you might as well stab them instead...

Well, maybe not THAT close, but you have somehow got the concept. The Beretta 93-R has the same range and accuracy of an M92-FS when fired in semi-auto, but when you're using it in 3-rds burst mode, both decrease dramatically in real-life. Especially if you think that the gun gives a helluva recoil (it'd be impossible to properly control a Beretta 93-R without the folding foregrip, and the optional metal stock sometimes becomes a "must have" if you are forced to employ the M93-R on a large scale).
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