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Default Foreign babies?

Non U.S. Custom Baby Carbines of the AR-Family. Can you say where from?
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Unhappy Anyone?

Maybe this is to hard
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Exclamation Wait!

The first IS American (M2 Corp. M16X, the first link says "It's a fake gun" but that's false, TJ found this out later to be a real gun but didn't corrected it!). The last one is American too, a DPMS/Panther Arms "Kitty Kat" shorty carbine.
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Exclamation Hmm, no

I think your info is wrong, but i also think i might just understood why even though unconfirmed yet.

If your M16X ( http://www.securityarms.com/20010315.../2700/2755.htm) truly is what it claims then it cant be a Canadian DIEMACO PDW. Even though the measurements seems right; The Diemaco Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) is even more compact having an overall length of 20.7 inches with stock fully retracted. It has a 5.7-inch barrel and the receiver extension has been shortened by 1.65 inches. But i really doubt it is a M2, i think the picture below however which almost looks identical to the one on top, really is a M2. But if you look closely you can see they're not the same, in fact not nearly a single detail is exact. The one on top have several distinguishing features; it is a flattop, has a removable carryhandle with modern sight, fat-butt and rather large sling-loop.

Look & read here: http://nightoperations.com/C-7_A2.htm

I think the reason for all this is that they were all evaluated for the PDW-project and therefor might have bought patents, borrowed ideas, cooperated or simply just plagiarized. this is sitill unknown to me. Read here;

The Canadian military initiates a PDW requirement to replace the Inglis No. 2 Mk. 1* pistol (WW2-era license-production FN GP35) and the Diemaco C8 carbine. Projected quantities have ranged up to 10,000 units. Over the years, the CF PDW candidates have included 5.56x45mm entries such as Military Manufacturing (M2) Corp.'s M16X and M16C (4" and 6" barrels respectively), and Diemaco's CQB (a Colt Commando variant) and PDW (an even shorter Commando variant). The specialty caliber PDWs such as FN's P90 and HK's MP7 have also been considered.

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http://www.thegunzone.com/556dw-5.html

Here is another pic of the PDW; sorry
I have a thumb here left on google image search since the page is gone (originally www.sfu.ca/casr/pdw-3.jpg) maybe someone has it? if you try to look at the one hidden behind you can see that it is the same gun. All the others are diffrent M2 (or combined) subguns. The last pic is, what i belive, where your picture originally came from, but here you can read on the receiver.


The Pics are as follows;
#1 Diemaco-PDW #2 M2-M16C 3# M2-M16SP II 4# M2-XM23A1 5# M2-M16X
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You are right that it sure looks like a Kitty-Kat no doubt they look the same, understandable, but show a little faith....

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Exclamation Wrong again!

Quote:
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The Pics are as follows;
#1 Diemaco-PDW #2 M2-M16C 3# M2-M16SP II 4# M2-XM23A1 5# M2-M16X

The weapon you call M2-XM23A1 is an XM-231/A1 "Commando" pistol made by GUNSMOKE ENTERPRISES, Inc.

As for the DIEMACO PDW, see the website of DIEMACO (now "Colt Canada Corporation") and you will see that there is NO such thing in production: the DIEMACO PDW was a prototype made to compete as a Canadian Armed Forces' PDW in standard rifle caliber .5'56x45mm, but now the smaller weapon made by DIEMACO/Colt Canada is the CQB CARBINE, close relative of the US-made Colt "Commando".

Believe me when I say that the first picture is an M2 M16-X, equipped with an integrally-sound suppressed upper with removable carrying handle; actually, MILITARY MANUFACTURING CORPORATION (M2 Corp) offer their too-shorty M16-style PDWs mainly under the form of upper receivers that can be mounted on any AR-15/M-16/M-4 lower.
The DIEMACO PDW was a now-defunct prototype concept of 2 years ago, of which you can find a small picture (the only one existing, I think) right down here.



As final note, I have to point out that SDI - SABRE DEFENCE INDUSTRIES, LLC is NOT a British company but only has international representance offices in the UK, like many others; in fact, the gun laws in the UK are so stringent that it would be very hard for them to install manufacturing capabilities for military-style weapons in the UK if them would be later destinated to the civilian public. SABRE DEFENCE is an AMERICAN company, as you can see from THEIR WEBSITE.
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Non U.S. Custom Baby Carbines of the AR-Family. Can you say where from?

All of these are not rival of the Corner Shot and CUWS(Concealed User Weapon System).
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All of these are not rival of the Corner Shot and CUWS(Concealed User Weapon System).

You are now exaggerating! Respect the board partition, you have opened a specific post about your unbelievable "Wunderwaffe", post about it THERE and not elsewhere!
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