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Old 01-06-2007
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This is kinda left field, and not a loaded question either, but is it possible in any way, shape or form to ship, mail, import firearms anywhere in the EU legally? I guess what im asking is there a good legal reason to have a firearm imported somewhere in the EU like, firearms used for humane killing of animals? Shot pistols used for shooting vermin? Legal Trophies of war Firearms of historic interest? Gun clubs? Anything like that.
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This is kinda left field, and not a loaded question either, but is it possible in any way, shape or form to ship, mail, import firearms anywhere in the EU legally? I guess what im asking is there a good legal reason to have a firearm imported somewhere in the EU like, firearms used for humane killing of animals? Shot pistols used for shooting vermin? Legal Trophies of war Firearms of historic interest? Gun clubs? Anything like that.

The import/export of firearms in the EU Countries is regulated by the single National laws. The EU has, so far, only given some directives regarding the inner circulation of privately-owned firearms within its territory (like, to say, an Italian shooter who wants to bring his gun to Germany to participate to a tournament) and the import of military weaponries.

Interestingly enough, the major restrictions for import into EU of some kind of firearms come from the regulations imposed by the USA. There is shortage of US-made AR-15 rifles and some US-made shotguns and pistols, down here, because the US Department of Homeland Security has established that those varmint shooters are "Goods of fundamental importance for the Homeland Security", and thus their export is bound to an End-User Certificate.
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The import/export of firearms in the EU Countries is regulated by the single National laws. The EU has, so far, only given some directives regarding the inner circulation of privately-owned firearms within its territory (like, to say, an Italian shooter who wants to bring his gun to Germany to participate to a tournament) and the import of military weaponries.

Interestingly enough, the major restrictions for import into EU of some kind of firearms come from the regulations imposed by the USA. There is shortage of US-made AR-15 rifles and some US-made shotguns and pistols, down here, because the US Department of Homeland Security has established that those varmint shooters are "Goods of fundamental importance for the Homeland Security", and thus their export is bound to an End-User Certificate.


So firearms are not completly illegal there right? How are these guys getting them in? Like in Manchester, heard a guy got an AK-47 in the mail. A woman police officer just got killed today in Nottingham.
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So firearms are not completly illegal there right? How are these guys getting them in? Like in Manchester, heard a guy got an AK-47 in the mail. A woman police officer just got killed today in Nottingham.

Military-style firearms are NOT illegal in Italy, not at all.

The EU has no power to impose gun laws to its member Countries. To take a firearm into the EU you have to go to the closest Embassy, check if that gun is legal in the Country of destination, and ask for the proper procedures (if you are out of the EU). If you want to take a firearm from a Country ot another within the EU, you have to make sure that the gun is legal in the Country of destination, then ask your local Police office for the so-called "European Green Card of Firearms", that's a paper that authorizes you to legally transport firearms within the EU and to use them for practices such as sport competitions and hunting. The card is released automatically to gun licensees, and it's NOT valid to carry a gun for self-defense (which is regulated by the single National laws, some allow it, some don't).
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Military-style firearms are NOT illegal in Italy, not at all.

The EU has no power to impose gun laws to its member Countries. To take a firearm into the EU you have to go to the closest Embassy, check if that gun is legal in the Country of destination, and ask for the proper procedures (if you are out of the EU). If you want to take a firearm from a Country ot another within the EU, you have to make sure that the gun is legal in the Country of destination, then ask your local Police office for the so-called "European Green Card of Firearms", that's a paper that authorizes you to legally transport firearms within the EU and to use them for practices such as sport competitions and hunting. The card is released automatically to gun licensees, and it's NOT valid to carry a gun for self-defense (which is regulated by the single National laws, some allow it, some don't).

OK, for some reason i thought anything other than a shotgun, or rifle with more than 3-4 rds was illegal.
Can you hunt with any rifle, even say a "military style" rifle?

Anyways, back to my original question, did'nt somebody have a military style firearm mailed to them legally somewhere in Manchester?
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OK, for some reason i thought anything other than a shotgun, or rifle with more than 3-4 rds was illegal.

HAH! Many do! Actually, it depends from the Countries: here in Italy, imported guns must undergo an evaluation by a Control Commission and then be inscribed in the "National Firearms Catalogue" (the list of the guns legal to civilian trade in Italy), in France you need a 5th Category license (hard to obtain), in other Countries, well I don't know. Here in Italy, you don't need a special license to own military-style weapons. Law poses no limit to the magazine capacity of pistols and shotguns, and a 10-rds capacity to non-smoothbore long rifles (although many are sold with 5-rounders, don't ask me why). It's illegal anyway to use on a gun a magazine of a capacity higher than the one given.

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Can you hunt with any rifle, even say a "military style" rifle?

It depends from the law of the Region, in Italy (I mean HUNTING law, Italian Regions have no power to enforce real gun laws). Here in Sardinia, currently, you can only hunt with shotguns, because of the very harsh and rocky environment (which rises the risk of dangerous bullet ricochets). Shotguns used for hunting must carry no more than 3 shells during the hunting practice (this means that you can use an 8-rounder shotgun as long as you fit to it some "capacity reducer" for the entire time you are out hunting); and rifles used during the hunt must carry no more than 10 rounds. Also, pistol-hunting is forbidden (hunting is only allowed using rifles or shotguns)

A "hunting gun", here in Italy, is not categorized by its model but by the cartridge that it fires. Most of calibers over 22-WMR here in Italy are legal to use for hunting, and thus also "military calibers". So, YES, you can use a "military-style" rifle to hunt, but in the everyday life, nobody does: not for legal reasons, but for, you know, aesthetics.

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Anyways, back to my original question, did'nt somebody have a military style firearm mailed to them legally somewhere in Manchester?

Possible but illegal. The UK (with the exceptions of the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland) has banned ALL private ownership of semi-automatic long arms after the Hungerford shooting in 1988, and (again, with the exceptions of the Isle of Man and Northern Ireland) banned ALL private ownership of short arms (pistol and revolvers) after the Dunblane shooting in 1997, at the same time restricting the ownership of shotguns (only double-barrelled), and repetition rifles and carbines to owners who live in the Country (thus banning de facto almost completely any gun ownership in the UK). The UK has today probably the second or third most restrictive gun laws in the "Free World" (I am not counting the dictatorial-ruled Countries), after Jamaica (which allows absolutely NO gun ownership) and Japan (which allows only ownership of airguns and shotguns with capacity no higher than 2 shells, and only after a "lectures" course attended by the Police which lasts 1 year).

Actually, the Italian gun laws are very complicated, being made of 80 years of bureaucratic idiocies and still having part of the Fascist Era restrictive dispositions still in effect, If you want a synthesis of the Italian Gun Laws, I can provide them, but please ask so that I have time to prepare it. One thing to rest assured about is that, compared to the Standards of Western Europe, it is fairly liberal. Of course it doesn't reaches the liberality of Gun Laws in Netherlands, Switzerland or Finland, nor the "new liberality" of the Gun Laws in former-ComBloc Countries, but we still can not bitch and moan. Sure, we can not have machineguns. But we can have a 13-shots shotgun like, to say, the NEOSTEAD (the highest number of NEOSTEAD shotguns sold worldwide since 2003 is, in fact, right here in Italy); a shotgun which is "unrestricted" even in Canada but which, I know, you Americans still can't even dream (as far as for 2006, the BATFE hasn't authorized its import in the USA yet).
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