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Cool Democrats want to start NHS in USA

National Healt Service is a good idea, theoretically.
In practice, it collects so much money that greedy politicians end fucking it up.
In Italy every worker and "not working" housewife have to pay NHS, but whenever they need assistance...
1) if the person is not a miserable, he has no right over free service.
2) if the person is miserable, it will be asked a "little" contribution - just to avoid people going to hospital only for minor problems (fck'n excuse just to grab more money).
3) if the miserable person has to book a free scan on a public hospital, it will get it no earlier than a month - if he decides to pay from his own pocket, he will be booked the next day and will be scanned in the same public machine that would be used for the free scan.
4) if the person is retired and miserable, goes into a hospital and dies there, it doesn't matter the disease (it's not written, but it happens too often).
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So, I hope republicans win. At least everything stays the same shit. If it goes the democratic way, things will change and it will be much worse.
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Let's see what's coming november the 4th
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Cross my finger for NO change.
If you don't like Sarah Palin because the abortion matter, use a condom, take the pill, go through sterilization, wank or make a lot of children. If you get raped... well call 911
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Angry CeeTee, you know you are not saying it right.

My family is not miserable, yet we didn't had to pay the NHS when my brother was hospitalized for 6 months and saved from Leukemia in 2005. What you call "Paying" is what we call a "Ticket" on NHS services, which may or may not exist according to each different Region, because in Italy NHS services are decentralized and put under the "authority" of every single Region. Here in Sardinia, you pay a 15€ "Ticket" on Pronto Soccorso services (literally "Emergency Room", actually the outpatient's department of the hospital) only if your case is not at least a "Code Yellow" emergency (i.e. if you just need to have a wood chip removed from your arm after a petty accident, or something like that). You may, or may not, pay a "Ticket" up to 40€ for diagnostic procedures like PET scans, CAT scans, etc. You don't pay any "Ticket" if you're under 6 y.o., or above 65 y.o., and part of a family with a yearly income under 36.151,98 €, if you're afflicted by a serious disease or infermity (if you're a mutilated, an invalid, afflicted by a cronic disease, or similar), if you're placed under Welfare assistance and/or receive a minimum monthly retirement check or unemployment check, and if you are an unemployed person being part of a family with a yearly income not above 8.263,31 €; it's a bit restrictive, but it helps in curbing abuses, and by the way a 15 € "Ticket" is way, WAY more acceptable than a fee of thousands of Euros (or Dollars), not to mention that most of times you don't have to pay your "Ticket" immediately, they'll send you an "Invoice" at home and you have literally all the time in the world to pay for it.

Are there cases of bad service, sometimes? Sure, like everywhere else in the world. But remember that this is due to the peculiar nature of the Italian management of NHS, which is under the "Administration" of any single region, and so all the big, average and small politicians in every area tries to feed as much as they can on the local hospitals, placing "their" people at the direction, and so on (it's like in Lombardy, where public structures don't practice abortions, even though they should do it by Law, because all directors call themselves "conscentious objectors" about abortion after having been named only and solely by the right-wing regional administration).
Are there cases of wasting of money? SURE. Think about Sicily: what they did was to basically dismantle the NHS and give everything in the hands of private clinics. The service is expensive, worse than ever, and people leaves the island to get cured in other places. That's because most of private health services in Sicily are in pocket with Mafia, sure.

The Americans frown about the NHS because they are scared stiff of paying for something that would be available to everybody. They call it "Socialism". Well, the UK, Canada, France, even Japan, have the NHS, and them are all but socialist Countries. And they have good service and less waste of public money, because they don't let the politicians, the bureaucrats and some greedy private entrepreneurs lay their hands upon the direction of the National Health Service.
Let's face it: the US -need- an NHS, at least to provide free health care to everybody under a certain yearly income.

Also, let's face it: John McCain will loose these elections. He prolly did almost all by himself, mainly selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate, but the Republicans simply couldn't win after the disastrous 8 years of the Bush administration.
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Default Re: Democrats want to start NHS in USA

Also, let's face it: John McCain will loose these elections. He prolly did almost all by himself, mainly selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate, but the Republicans simply couldn't win after the disastrous 8 years of the Bush administration.

They said the same thing about John Kerry about this time 4 years ago.
He was ahead in all the Polls too...
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Default Re: CeeTee, you know you are not saying it right.

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Originally Posted by PT-The Italian Commie

Are there cases of bad service, sometimes? Sure, like everywhere else in the world. But remember that this is due to the peculiar nature of the Italian management of NHS, which is under the "Administration" of any single region, and so all the big, average and small politicians in every area tries to feed as much as they can on the local hospitals, placing "their" people at the direction, and so on (it's like in Lombardy, where public structures don't practice abortions, even though they should do it by Law, because all directors call themselves "conscentious objectors" about abortion after having been named only and solely by the right-wing regional administration).
Only this issue would be enough to spoil the system


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Originally Posted by PT-The Italian Commie

Are there cases of wasting of money? SURE. Think about Sicily: what they did was to basically dismantle the NHS and give everything in the hands of private clinics. The service is expensive, worse than ever, and people leaves the island to get cured in other places. That's because most of private health services in Sicily are in pocket with Mafia, sure.
Add this one as well and just "dig" a bit to see that your family is a lucky one - the average situation is bad - people paying a lot not to have right assistance. Don't think that your specific case is the rule, even if I'm pleased to hear that at least someone gets the service we pay for.


By the way, hope your brother overcame the problem well.
Cheering for him since then
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