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Old 02-04-2007
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Default REQ: Doppelzündnadelgewehr Dreyse

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I´m looking for pictures or drawings of a German double-barreled hunting rifle designated "Doppelzündnadelgewehr Modell Dreyse", which was manufactured in the second half of the 19th century. It was a spinoff of the famous military Zündnadelgewehre. The Dreyse company had to shift to the production of civilian hunting rifles after the Zündnadelgewehr was outdated by more modern military rifles in the 1880s. According to the "Meyer´s Konversationslexikon" of 1888 the gun was quite popular among the German hunting community. An other designation for this rifle is "Zentralfeuergewehr" or "Centralfeuergewehr" because of its construction. On tis picture you can see some details of the rifle, but unfortunatelly not the the rifle as a whole: . I don´t know if there exisited more than one model of the hunting rifle. If so, I am particulary interested in the versions of the late 1870s

Any (useful) help is much appreciated. Thank you in advance!

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Dreyse Double Barrel Shotgun:
This antique shotgun must be seen! Barrel rib marked "Dreyse Sommerda". As far a gauge goes, I have no idea. I measured the chokes and it registers a sloppy 12. The chamber will not allow a 12 or 16 gauge chamber depth gauge to enter. Possibly some European chambering. This Dreyse features an under lever that swings the barrels forward and to the side for loading. The large breech block has the ends of the firing pins protruding from the back and serving as cocking indicators. Double triggers and extractors. 29½" barrels and breech block are Damascus steel. Fair bores that show some pitting. Very good action. Metal finish is worn to bare gray, with nice pattern on the barrels and block. Under lever and several other parts are beautifully engraved and have a slightly damaged silver animal inlay. Fancy, genuine horn, trigger guard. Stock has a repaired crack and a very small crack on the forend, a good stock person could make the necessary repairs look invisible. Original checkering, straight grip walnut stock with bone trigger guard. Truly unusual piece.

In fine overall condition. 42 ¾ inch overall length. 25 5/8 inch barrel. 12 gauge. Fine walnut stock with checkered wrist. Some minor repaired hairline cracks in the wrist and receiver section (see photos). Fine metal retaining most of its slightly faded original finish with some small blemished areas. Beautiful engraving on miscellaneous parts and silver inlaid animals on trigger guard and opening lever. Fine horn pistol grip. Wire silver inlaid decor on receiver. Excellent action and bores. Well marked “DREYSE SOMMERDA” on barrels’ top. A very attractive and early German cartridge shotgun! (Pictures)

Dreyse “Needle-Fire” side-by-side under-lever swing breech shotgun un (infos & pictures)
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The description "Doppelzündnadelgewehr Modell Dreyse" could be applied to, as you might know by now many diffrent models. They were mostly in the same chamberings (shortguns in 16 & 12gauge) and overall system but various stocks & length of bbls. The name could be translated like this:
Doppel = Double Zünd-nadel = Firning pin Gewehr = Rifle (aka. needlefire)

The pin or the needle would penetrate the cartridge and hit the percussion cap at the base inside the cartridge body. Which would ignite the black powder and then eject the Acorn-shaped lead bullet from its paper shell (see pic which is the 13,6mm cartridge fired from the preussian Zündnadelkarabin M57 see pic2). The reason why one put the primer inside the cartridge was to make a more complete usage of the combustion gases. A big problem was that even though this was a sucessfull idea in creating higher power the range was very short. The higher gaspressure also created dangerous leaks at the breech (just what you need when aiming carefully, bleeded gas in the eye?).

Finally is a picture of a late production Dreyse system Sideopening 16gauge SXS Shotun.
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Some more specifics for you;
Johann Nikolaus von Dreyse (1787-1867) inventor of the needle-fire system manufactured in addition to the military arms to the Prussian army, also commercial pistols, revolvers & rifles. Many of the rifles were produced after his death by his son, Franz Dreyse who ran the company until his death in 1894. His cousin Nikolaus merged the company with Rheinsiche Metallwaren und Mascinen fabrik. Many of these rifles stem from this period and were made avaible in manny diffrent configurations. The rifles were typically made in single or double barrel 15,24mmNF (ca. 60caliber) and some shotguns had three barrels. There were also many contemporary companies that made neeledfire-rifles, but Dreyse was the original and most succesfull of this type.
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