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Old 04-27-2007
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Ok i have three ideas but neither fits like a glove
  1. Estonian Tallin Arsenal "Bergmanni Püstol-Kuulipilduja 1923" (MP-18)
  2. Finnish M19 mfg by SAKo under License
  3. Swiss made SIG-Bergmann MP18I

I think the Estonian version was in 9mm though, & the Finn M19 in 7,65mm Parabellum, the Swiss version S.I.G. have i never really seen but i believe it was the ancestor to the ones used by these North-Eastern Finn-Ugric countries.
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Okay, enough farting around on this one. Belgian mod 1934

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Old 04-29-2007
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Did I hear a brain fart?
Nice try, Gents! Play again!

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Gonna make it easy for the experts

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Ok i have three ideas but neither fits like a glove
  1. Estonian Tallin Arsenal "Bergmanni Püstol-Kuulipilduja 1923" (MP-18)
  2. Finnish M19 mfg by SAKo under License
  3. Swiss made SIG-Bergmann MP18I

I think the Estonian version was in 9mm though, & the Finn M19 in 7,65mm Parabellum, the Swiss version S.I.G. have i never really seen but i believe it was the ancestor to the ones used by these North-Eastern Finn-Ugric countries.

This is not http://www.securityarms.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5 but...
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Those inscriptions on the mag well are Chinese or Japanese... may it be a .7'63mm Bergmann 1920 of Swiss SIG manufacture as procured by Japan up to the 1930s? These were based upon the Mp18-1 machine-carbine, modified for a box magazine and chambered for the .7'63mm-Mauser cartridge, with a bayonet mounting bar. These weapons remained in Japanese service up to the 1940, when the NAMBU Type 100 machine-carbine was developed as a replacement.
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You have an impressive knowledge but I don't think anyone had a chance to find out this one.
What about writing an article in Armi & Tiro on the MP18 and its family?
I dug out very interesting facts and bits of history when doing some research about them, I felt like those people entering the Pyramids.

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So what is the full answer Dammit?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I need the full details so I can add it to the site.
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I came across two Thompson 1921 SMGs made in Jinan, Shandong, PRC , too.
one in .45 ACP and one in 7.63 Mauser.

Looks like Mr Heinrich Vollmer helped set up the factories there.
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