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alright, last one I threw out there lasted a while, but I'll buy the guy gets this one a case of his favorite suds.

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Is one of them made by THIS people?
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Default Odd...

In the second picture, the bottom one -REALLY- looks like the Unertl MEU-SOC... I still don't understand why on earth there's still such a big group of stubborn people thinking that's worth building tactical pistol platforms on such an outdated, low-capacity design as the 1911.
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Because it's a proven platform and lethal round regardless of low (8rnd) capacity. Given the round's particulars, it's a more certain, agreeable round than a subgun in 9mm or .40. While the clip size is arguably the worst factor, over penetration and errant shots become less a problem.
And these aren't part of the recent MEU program.
More particularly, the platform's a special operations command (soccom) weapon-- relegated to limited, high interest operations.

Take it from the guy who shoots'em on a frequent basis in a variety of calibers and configurations-- the platform's far from outdated.
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Because it's a proven platform and lethal round regardless of low (8rnd) capacity. Given the round's particulars, it's a more certain, agreeable round than a subgun in 9mm or .40. While the clip size is arguably the worst factor, over penetration and errant shots become less a problem.

Look, bud, not to quarrel or anything, but... the .45-ACP is a great round if the target/opponent has no bodyarmour. If he has, he won't get much more damage from a .45 than he'd take from a 9mm or .40; problem is, nowadays, even lowest-class terrorists use bodyarmour able to stop AT LEAST pistol/SMG rounds such as 9mm, .40 and... .45 as well. That's why "special caliber" Personal Defense Weapons are increasingly finding their place in the arsenals of military forces. And however, remember, in the military "The pistol is good only to fight your way back to your rifle".

P.S.: I don't dislike the Browning working system. But between the two, I'd better get a Gp-35 ("High Power").
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Ah, good-- so your real gripe is .45 ACP, excellent as 1911s these days come in 10mm, 9mm, .40, .357sig, and .45 Gap along with the classic .45. Personally, i'd like a 10mm if the ammo wasn't so fucking expensive.

If it's capacity that's still got you-- here's a picture of one of these pistols built using a polymer hi-cap frame:

Alright, here's another pic--a true supressed model

I'll throw in a handle of Tennessee's finest if anyone can name the guy in this shot.
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Default I don't dislike .45-ACP...

...my problem with it is that its much-hailed great stopping power is true only against unprotected targets. All the LAPD officers who carry .45 S&Ws following the North Hollywood shootout probably don't know that their new .45s in that situation (criminals with full-automatic firearms and protected by bodyarmour) would not have been much more effective than their 9mm.

And putting an hi-cap option on a 1911 is not much more successful. The problem is in the platform. It is good for civilian use, but it is seriously outdated for anything else. If you want a good hi-cap .45-ACP, nowadays you can go for much better things like this:



...or this...



...or this...

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The 1911 with its metal frame, barrel position and 5" (opposed to 4") barrel makes for much superior recoil control for quick, and tight double-taps. There's a reason that Jeff Cooper recommends it by name when he first published the Mozambique Drill.


It's not 'outdated' if you can still outshoot a PX4 with it.
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The 1911 with its metal frame, barrel position and 5" (opposed to 4") barrel makes for much superior recoil control for quick, and tight double-taps.

I would not call the M1911 "superior" as for recoil control. The best 45-caliber pistol out there as for recoil is Italian again: the Beretta PX4-Storm, with its rotating-translating barrel that dissipates energy, enough to make the recoil of a .40-S&W or .357-SiG feel like a .32, or a .45 feel like a 9mm. The system is good enough that, if implemented for the 9mm caliber (Beretta PX4-Storm in 9x19 or 9x21), it dissipates way TOO MUCH energy and can lead to stoppages...
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