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Default Ring gun?

Looked in our archives, but couldn't find this ting-- in a random curio listing, but not given a name other than "ring gun"-- looks like a .22 short rimless, special casings for fitting the cylinder block.


The little lever's must be how the cylinder was advanced, note the stamping:

side shot of what must be the trigger, interesting engraving:

close up of stamping:


Maker's mark?


Note that this isn't one of the infamous "Femme fatales"
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A very popular topic of the day. See www.militaryphotos.net/forums/; forum: Equipment and Gear; thread: Ring Pistol!!! with some more links.
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Ring pistol
Produced in the late 1800s, a man's small ring is an example of what was called "la petite protector," a five-shot revolver. No known intelligence service used this killing device, but it illustrates the type of technology produced for intelligence services or assassins. The ring pistol once was one of the smallest killing devices ever developed.



In the 1860-70 there was "Le Petit Guardien", 6-shot in 4mm caliber and "Le Petit Protector", 5-shot in 3,5mm caliber...
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Default Nice little thingy...

...but would I call it "nice NASTY little thingy?". No.

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In the 1860-70 there was "Le Petit Guardien", 6-shot in 4mm caliber and "Le Petit Protector", 5-shot in 3,5mm caliber...

In fact. Do you really REALLY think that such small calibers could have any effect at all on human targets, even unarmored, even back then in the 19th Century? Hell, to protect yourself from a 4,25mm "Lilliput" or a 2,7x9mm "Kolibri" pistol, all you needed was a thick winter vest. And this thing is even smaller and fires an even smaller bullet!
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...but would I call it "nice NASTY little thingy?". No.



In fact. Do you really REALLY think that such small calibers could have any effect at all on human targets, even unarmored, even back then in the 19th Century? Hell, to protect yourself from a 4,25mm "Lilliput" or a 2,7x9mm "Kolibri" pistol, all you needed was a thick winter vest. And this thing is even smaller and fires an even smaller bullet!
Well, if fired directly at your face and from almost point blank, it may be a "nice NASTY little stingy thingy?". No ?
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Well, if fired directly at your face and from almost point blank, it may be a "nice NASTY little stingy thingy?". No ?

We're speaking about a .22 Short. Not enough to cause lethal or even seriously life-threatening injuries, not even at extremely close distances unless you fire at extremely weak point. Under some circumstances, it may even be too littke to penetrate a human skull. The best way to cause effectively lethal injuries to somebody with such a small weapon is to shoot your target in the eye and have the bullet reach the brain from there... and again, it couldn't be enough. You could also shoot him at the pelvis or a leg, hit the femoral artery and let bleed to death.

And it's even worse with the extremely small defense calibers (4mm, 2mm) that were made for pocket pistols at the time (end of 19th Century). Today we -DO- have "small" calibers, like 4'6x30mm-HK or 5'7x28mm-FN (SS-190), but there's no comparaison... it's a totally new world of technology, and besides, even with today's tech, you would unlikely make something lethal out of a small bullet such as a 2mm "Kolibri" or a 4mm "Lilliput". Unless you make it an extremely hi-tech explosive capsule, "à la Escape from New York", once you shoot it to somebody (and it may be so little that he wouldn't even feel it), the bullet travels to a main blood vessel and explodes, making your target die from internal bleeding. But it would be something for covert assassinations. Nothing compared to the toy thing we're speaking about. Hell, even 6,35mm (.25-Acp) is much MUCH better than this... and .25-Acp -DOES requires a point-blank shot at the head to result in a sure kill. Make yourself the comparaison reading the datas yourself:
.25-ACP
.22 SHORT
4mm CALIBER
2mm KOLIBRI
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I'd say it could be used to disturb your opponent enough for you to be able to use your fists and feet and head and whatever on him (ah, good ole street-fight... ).
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Have they been used in any assasination attempts?
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Have they been used in any assasination attempts?

I really don't know... but I seriously don't think so. At least, not in any HIGH PROFILE assassination attempt, and not after World War 1. The most historically important assassinations and killing attempts have been committed with much more powerful weapons. It was easy at the time, getting close to a Head of State in public occasions was extremely simple, and carrying a gun was not unusual anywhere in the world, so... whoever wanted to kill somebody could have used much better and more powerful firearms, granting himself a way greater probability of success.
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... Today we -DO- have "small" calibers, like 4'6x30mm-HK or 5'7x28mm-FN (SS-190), but there's no comparaison... it's a totally new world of technology...
Not to confuse theory and practical:
"It is not enough to pierce a ballistic protection, it is still necessary to be able to stop the adversary which is inside !
Doctor Martin Fackler thinks that in this field, the 5,7x28mm (SS-190) is slightly more powerful than the .22 Magnum..."

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