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Nothing piss'es of a socailist quite like these!
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Bumperstickers, T-shirts, coffee mugs..
Nothing piss'es of a socialist quite like these!

Fixed it for you.

Besides, you really think that Obama is a "Socialist"? Why? Because he wants to instate a National Health Service? Oh, you people. If fearing "socialism" keeps you quiet and happy, you're welcome to keep on. The cons are that it keeps you from waking up and see how the roots of the current economic crisis lay in the failure of CAPITALISM.
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Fixed it for you.

Besides, you really think that Obama is a "Socialist"? Why? Because he wants to instate a National Health Service? Oh, you people. If fearing "socialism" keeps you quiet and happy, you're welcome to keep on. The cons are that it keeps you from waking up and see how the roots of the current economic crisis lay in the failure of CAPITALISM.

As usal you get the gun shit right everytime, but your politics shit is all fucked up. If Capitalism has failed its only because Socailism has been forced upon it over the years by both fucking partys,National health care is only one thing he's attempting to fuck up, lets not forget the Nationalization of the auto industry,and banks,, But hey it worked for Adolf Hitler right?
Sorry if were Not marching in lock step. Resistance will be feirce trust me.
If you want to Totally fuck anything up just get Government Involved.
One only has to look at the ATFE and the wonderous things its done for the gun industry.
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As usal you get the gun shit right everytime, but your politics shit is all fucked up. If Capitalism has failed its only because Socailism has been forced upon it over the years by both fucking partys.

Still can't spell "Socialism" right?
Well, guess this is not the important thing.
No, the important thing is that you have completely missed the point.
And the point is that capitalism has failed because it is RULE-LESS BY NATURE.
And in this world, NOTHING that isn't ruled, governed or overlooked to, at least under a certain extent, can produce anything good. Despite what the libertarian ideologies uphold (LIbertarianism = you can prolly do whatever you want as long as you don't harm others' liberties), that's just NOT what happens. The Latins knew it already: Homo homini lupus, the man is a predator for other men. Without strict rules of behaviour and conduct, the people will rapidly turn against others for their own gain. I am not an optimist, I don't believe in the "inner good" of societies. Societies exist because them are necessary; because the people, without an organized society held by rules, and by a body that enforces those rules (the State), rapidly turns into the worst degree of anarchy.
Capitalism, as a human thing, is subject to this phenomenon. Even worse, this is even more true for capitalism, as its goal itself is the enrichment of a minority over a majority. Even considering that this system has proved itself to be "the best" (and we could argue about it), letting it wild, applying only the old Lassez-Faire will simply NOT do. It has to be overlooked at, to be sure that what has happened will NOT happen again; and, NO, letting "the market take care of itself" is not good; it is exactly the contrary of what has to be done.
And mind, I am just talking about "oversight". I don't see anything "Socialist" in this.

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National health care is only one thing he's attempting to fuck up,


WTF are you talking about? Your Country has NOT "National Health Care". MY Country has one: anybody can get into a hospital and get whatever cure he/she needs, from surgical suture of a cut to a heart transplant, from a physiological solution intravenous therapy for a heat stroke to a complete chemotherapy cycle, for free or under the payment of a "Ticket" (around 25 €). The State pays for this service with the taxpayers' money, so that everybody has access to quality health service even if they can't afford it. Why, you ask? Why can't simply people pay for their own? Have you ever heard of the word "equity"? The concept of good health as a human right? The fact that healthy people live, work and produce better? All those concepts must be totally alien to you, don't them?

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lets not forget the Nationalization of the auto industry,and banks,,


So, let me rephrase: It's perfectly OKAY if the automotive industry and the banking sectors, symbols of capitalism itself, actually ASK the Government of the United States of America to be "bailed out" of the crisis with the taxpayers' money. It's moderately OKAY if the Government of the United States of America actually ACCEPTS to help those industries and banks, who are actually ASKING to be helped, at least for the sake of public trust and of the millions of American citizens who would be directly or indirectly afflicted in case of a missed bailout and a massive bankruptcy. Yet, it's NO LONGER OKAY, actually it's EEEEVILY SOCIALIST, if the Government of the United States, just as the RULES OF CAPITALISM ask, demands to enter in possession of something, at least of A PART of something, it has paid for (with taxpayers' money, of course).
I don't get it.

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But hey it worked for Adolf Hitler right?

Once again, you are confusing. Your views about the Socialist and Communist idelogies are viced by decades of anti-Soviet propaganda of Cold War heritage. Hitler was not a Socialist just because he founded a party that was called "National-Socialism". Wish it were that simple, won't you? Let me quote WIKIPEDIA:

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National Socialism is a political term that is both vague and ambiguous. As the name suggests, features of nationalism and socialism are combined and interrelated to form an overall National Socialist ideology, although the combination process is neither obvious nor straightforward. The term most typically refers to Nazism, which was the ideology of the German Nazi Party (NSDAP, National Socialist German Workers' Party, or "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei"), which was led by Adolf Hitler.
As a generic concept, National Socialism opposes capitalism, communism, Democratic Socialism and liberalism. It also opposes certain nations, ethnicities and other groups that are deemed to be enemies of the specific ethnicity to which it is applied. Several political parties other than the Nazis in Germany have used the name National Socialist Party or National Socialist Movement. Maurice Barrès was the first to coin the term "national socialism"
In the Nazi system, the "Welfare State" and "Nationalization of economy" were to be seen under a more complex system of "Pan-Germanism", which had to lead, ultimately, in the dominion of the German race over the rest of the world.
Socialism and Communism loath the dominion of man upon man, and the Welfare State and "Nationalization of economy" are to be seen, in such systems, under the point of view of a true redistribution of wealth and power from the richest to the poorest. Many still compare Nazism and Socialism/Communism under the point of view of the dictatorships them stemmed in the 20th Century. They still refuse to see the differences, such as a true attempt of redistribution of power from the élites to the people, which is the true meaning of the Socialist and Communist ideologies. Under this point of view, these two ideologies will still have something to say in the 21st Century.

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Sorry if were Not marching in lock step.

Nobody asks you to. That's the advantage of living in a free Country. You can still pay out of your own pockets in private clinics and hospitals for a service that the State will be glad to hand out for free (with the taxpayers' money, of course, which implies the necessity to pay the taxes for something better than expensive, overly-troublesome and basically useless jet fighters such as the F-22 Raptor)

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Resistance will be feirce trust me.

Resistance to WHAT? Or to WHO? To the "Socialist" Obama? Want my two cents? WISH HE WAS! Open your eyes: Obama is NOT a Socialist! Let somebody who knows the Socialist and Communist ideologies tell you. He is no Socialist, he is no Social-Democrat, he isn't even a Labour! He is slightly left-wing of, to say, Margareth Thatcher in her better temper.

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If you want to Totally fuck anything up just get Government Involved.

N. Gregory Mankiw, a world-known economist (I have studied economics at the University from his books!), a new-keynesian, Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under Bush and advisor of the 2007 Presidential campaign of Mitt Romney (not exactly a Socialist!) states that "Governments can sometimes improve market outcomes".
That doesn't exactly sounds like what you said, doesn't it?

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One only has to look at the ATFE and the wonderous things its done for the gun industry.

I am perfectly okay with the idea of having a Law Enforcement agency oversighting the commerce of "sensitive" goods such as alcohol, tobacco, firearms and explosives. I am less than OK when the LE agency starts to making itself the laws and regulations that it should later enforce. But this is a choice that has been made by your politicians with your (America's) silence/consent. You can't blame nobody else but yourselves, once again.
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Ask a small business owner about this, I don't know, maybe a guy that employs 2.3 people a week but when things are good 4 to 6?
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Ask a small business owner about this, I don't know, maybe a guy that employs 2.3 people a week but when things are good 4 to 6?

I know several. Italy is a country of small-to-medium businesses. What's the point?
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I think we're all over looking the real problem in modern America. Everyone has been used to having everything they need and more. We've grown used to prosperity and never planned for a rainy day. We all have the attitude that poverty, war, and mass bankruptcy will never happen here. Not to mention the current war has damn near broken our backs economically. Furthermore, when someone does have somewhat of a plan to sort things out no one can stop arguing long enough to make it work. We're too stubborn of a people and we're not open to new ideas. Why does Israel have a plan to be completely free of gas cars within the next decade, yet we just sit around and bitch about the cost of oil? Because we can't accept new ideas and stop our God damned bitching, and get our fat asses out from in front of our big screen TVs to actually worry about the future.

I'm far from a socialist, but something needs to change in this country. We are slowly becoming a joke and moving on the fast road to a fascist police state. Yet the rest of the sheep are too fucking stupid to care. And the people who do care (like myself) have been called a threat to national security. I go home in three weeks and I am seriously dreading it.

And I dread the future I've given my son.



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I know several. Italy is a country of small-to-medium businesses. What's the point?
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Default S**T, somebody finally -DID- got the point!

This isn't the Republicans Vs. the Democrats, or the Socialists Vs. the Conservatives any longer. We are talking about a -GLOBAL CHANGE- not a merely regional one, that's needed ASAP.
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All that lovely socialized medical care might work just fine for Italy (about the size of Florida), Please let us send you 20 million illegal Aliens we pay for and see how well that shit works after that.Not to mention all the welfare Obama dipshits were.
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