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Default The day Obamacare died sung by Obama himself

somethings just make my day..
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Angry Cool down.

"ObamaCare", how do you call it (people from normal countries just call it "National Health Service") is all but dead.

Somebody doesn't likes the idea that the US might soon have a taxpayers' paid NHS for everybody? Well, then...
Clover times for health insurance companies are over!!!
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Dude things are different over here. National health care works in places like your country because the Government dosn't actually enjoy watching people die of cancer. Over here, once there is no more money to be extorted out of the working class folks stop caring. National health care will never work here because it is not profitable.
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Sorry were not gonna embrace the communism

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Sorry were not gonna embrace the communism

Obamacare

So NHS is "communism"...
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Government control of anything is the opposite of freedom so communist is a good enough word to describe it. Fucking retards can't even run the postal service.. Health care????
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Government control of anything is the opposite of freedom so communist is a good enough word to describe it. Fucking retards can't even run the postal service.. Health care????

Please. You're making a fool out of yourself. The fear of "Government control out of everything" has always been one of the best excuses of the Medical/Insurances lobbies to ensure that they keep grasp control over the US healthcare services.

In fact, what you (meaning you "Americans" in general) are so blinded by Cold War propaganda to still not see is that a public National Healthcare Service could be established in the US with the Federal government having poor or nothing to do with it, i.e. limiting itself to distribute a percentage of the public fundings and fixing minimum quality standards; the rest could be administered on State level (here in Italy, the Health services are administered by the Regions, hence why there's so much disparity between northern and southern regions... but whatever).
Example: you are been told that, with a National Health Service, it's the State to tell you who do you have to trust as your family physician. It's not true. Here in Italy, you're free to choose him/her on a list of physicians active in the area (but whatever again).

The main problem here is a matter of "efficiency Vs. equity", one of the oldest economic issues. There's only one cake; should we make bigger parts, thus unavoidably leaving somebody out of the partition, or should we make smaller parts, so that everybody has a piece of it? Well, it depends. But the Healthcare is not like, to say, transportation or distribution of merchandise, where private enterprise is usually the best solution. Healthcare has to have to do more with EQUITY than with "efficiency" (although the two things should go along as much as possible!), because in this case equity MEANS efficiency, in the sense of efficiency for the entire Country system: healthier people live longer, work longer, produce better, simply make a bigger cake with possibility to make bigger slices for everybody.
The problem here is that such an NHS, to be really National, should be funded with taxpayers money.
Which is mainly impossible as long as your Country sticks with a mainly flat tax system rather than going for a progressive taxation system like most of civilized Countries.
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Well being in the military and seeing what a messed up circus Government run anything is. I don't have alot of faith in government run healthcare. I don't have faith in the government trying to organise a picnic, let alone trust them with my health and well being.
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Don't get me wrong PT our system is fucked... Nothing this administration has come up with is going to fix anything.
Quite frankly if they came up with something that would work, few if any in washington would vote for it.The corruption in this country is getting almost to Mexico levels.They bust all those guys at the shot show for Bribery yet Earmarks given to congress in exchange for votes on National Health care that is perfectly A Ok.
No way out of the hole we dug either, economic collapse is just a matter of time at this point. Polish the turd all we want, in the end its still a turd.
Love this hope and change!!
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Question What???

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They bust all those guys at the shot show for Bribery

Excuse me, I wasn't there and our envoyees haven't come back yet... explain, please!
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