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Goddammit i give up / must be Qiqihar Hawk Industries or Norinco?
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Yes it's NORINCO Equipment Co., Ltd.: Link

Semi-Automatic Shotgun 12 gauge with tubular magazine 5 rounds
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NORINCO (Xian-Feng Machinery) Model WMS-01 - CS/LA-2 selfloading shotgun

The CS/LA-2, also known as the WMS-01, has been developed during the course of the year 2009 at the State-owned Factory 5316 of XIANFENG MACHINERY COMPANY Ltd., a large enterprise under the umbrella of CWEC - CHINA WEAPONS EQUIPMENT CORPORATION. Its first appearence was at the 2010 edition of the CIPATE (Chinese International Exhibition and Symposium on Police and Anti Terrorism Technology and Equipment) held in Beijing, China.

The CS/LA-2 predates the Italian BENELLI M4 "Super 90" (adopted in U.S. Military service as the M1014-JSCS "Joint Service Combat Shotgun") in both aesthetics and technical layout. It is a smoothbore, semi-automatic shotgun chambered for the 12-gauge / 76mm (a.k.a. 12-gauge "Magnum") cartridge, fed through an 8-shots capacity tube, manufactured with extensive use of CAM machineries. The frame of the weapon is made out of a single block of ERGAL aluminium alloy, with the barrel and feeding tube being of stainless steel, while the handguard, the ergonomically-designed pistol grip and the six-position telescopic buttstock with adjustable cheekpiece are made mostly in polymer plastic. The front sight is an AK-type adjustable ring; the rear sight is an adjustable-aperture, M16-style peep-hole with two options available. A short, aluminium-made Picatinny rail is mounted on top of the frame to allow installation of optional optics. The cocking handle is large and located only on the right side of the weapon; so is the disconnector push-button, placed inside a squared slot above the trigger guard. A manual safety lever is located on the same side of the weapon right over the trigger.

The CS/LA-2 shotgun operates through what appears to be a local variation/copy of the patented A.R.G.O. (Auto-Regulating, Gas-Operated) system used by the Italian BENELLI ARMI S.p.A. company for its M4 "Super-90" shotguns, for the ARGO/R4 hunting rifles and for the MR-1/BERETTA Rx4 "Storm" varmint, sports-shooting, defense and Police patrol carbines. The weapon has a 3-locking-lugs rotating bolt operated through a short-strike piston connected to the gas impringment system. Being the gas spill valve positioned in close proximity of the chamber, so to receive immediately the first, hotter and higher-pressure gases, the system allows reliable cycling even with reduced-load ammunition (i.e. less-lethal cartridges), as well as reducing and uniforming the velocity of moving masses, thus granting higher stability.

The CS/LA-2 shotgun is being currently offered on international markets by the NORINCO Equipment Corporation.

-- TECHNICAL SPECS --
CALIBER: 12 gauge, 76mm ("Magnum") chamber
CAPACITY: 6+1 to 8+1 rounds in feeding tube
TOTAL LENGHT: 83 centimetres with stock closed / 900 centimetres with stock open
BARREL LENGHT: 37,5 centimetres
TOTAL WEIGHT: 3,8 kilograms
MAX. RANGE: 50 metres with slug ammunition

-- MANUFACTURER CONTACT INFO --
ZheJiang XianFeng Machinery CO., LTD.
State-owned 5316 Factory
10 Shimen Road, Tongxiang, Zhejiang
314500 - People's Republic of China
Tel./Fax: 0573-88103312
URL: http://www.xian-feng.net

-- DISTRIBUTOR CONTACT INFO --
NORINCO - North China Industries Corporation
NORINCO Equipment Ltd.
P.O. Box 2932
12A Guang-An-Men Nan-Jie, Beijing,
100053 - People's Republic of China
TEL.: 8610-63529988
FAX: 8610 63540398
URL: http://www.norinco.com - http://www.norincoequipment.cn

-- PICTURES --



NORINCO / Xian-Feng Machinery Type WMS-01 - CS/LA-2 shotgun, both sides



NORINCO / Xian-Feng Machinery Type WMS-01 - CS/LA-2 shotgun, left side



NORINCO / Xian-Feng Machinery Type WMS-01 - CS/LA-2 shotgun, top view showing sights and Picatinny rail
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Question Little details

What is the real standard magazine capacity ? 5 + 1 cartridges or 6 + 1 ?
And there are two models ? one less-lethal anti-riot shotgun and second with standard shotgun shells ?




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Judging from the overall lenght Vs. the tubular magazine lenght, I'd actually say about 7, 8 shots.

As for the "riot gun" versus "combat shotgun", the simplified Chinese word "霰彈槍" translates as both; after all, "riot gun" and "shotgun" are almost synonyms.

I'd be more apt to think that, while the WMS-01 a.k.a. the CS/LA-2 is a semi-automatic weapon, the other project (of which only CADs seem to exist) might be a mixed-operation (pump-action/semi-automatic) shotgun which might be launched in the near future.
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What I mean is that there are 2 models, they don't have the same forend design.
And for the magazine capacity they say 5 rounds in the features, as for the Benelli M4 "Super 90".
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What I mean is that there are 2 models, they don't have the same forend design.

I know... but note that, while for the first model we already have pictures, for the second we only have CADs. And the forend of the second model pretty much looks like a pump-action, "Benelli NOVA"-lookalike.

As for the ammunition capacity, I have sources about the CS/LA-2 about the definitive capacity of the design being 7+1.
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Ok ok, but I don't think it's a CAD or a pump-action... again

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霰彈槍 (which BTW, is the Traditional Chinese characters, used only in Taiwan and Hong Kong), literally means:

'Sleet Bullet Gun', but LESS literally would mean scattering or spreading bullet gun. It's the most generic form of the word to describe what we would call a shotgun in the west, but is normally used to describe riot or combat shotguns, since the more specific 鳥槍 (Bird Gun) would be used for a hunting shotgun.

The simplified Chinese used in Mainland China for 'shotgun' would be:

霰弹枪
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霰彈槍 (which BTW, is the Traditional Chinese characters, used only in Taiwan and Hong Kong), literally means:

'Sleet Bullet Gun', but LESS literally would mean scattering or spreading bullet gun. It's the most generic form of the word to describe what we would call a shotgun in the west, but is normally used to describe riot or combat shotguns, since the more specific 鳥槍 (Bird Gun) would be used for a hunting shotgun.

The simplified Chinese used in Mainland China for 'shotgun' would be:

霰弹枪

Thank you for your clarification!
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