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Old 12-04-2010
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Thumbs up Surefire Hi-Cap Magazines!

SureFire LLC. has launched a line of High-Capacity Magazines (HCMs) for infantry combat and tactical engagements: the MAG-5/60 and the MAG-5/100, STANAG 4179 compliant.

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“In the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, a soldier’s ability to respond to an attack with overwhelming force is critical. Ambushes are commonplace and the outcome of the ambush is often determined in the first 30 seconds. Firepower and the ability to stay in the fight are key.

SureFire’s High Capacity Magazines are designed to provide the war fighter with 60 or 100 rounds of ammunition in a single magazine, thereby decreasing the number of reloads a soldier must perform and increasing the number of rounds available to a soldier to engage threat targets.

In battle, it takes the average soldier 4 seconds to reload their weapon and reacquire a target; time that could be spent engaging threat targets. At best, 30-round magazines allow an individual soldier to fire no more than 150 rounds in 30 seconds.*

SureFire’s 60-Round Magazine increases that figure to 240 rounds. And its 100-Round Magazine: 293 rounds. This magazine is also meant to increase the effectiveness of group that intends to give full-auto firepower to their operators. Estimated MSRP is $129 for the 60-round and $179 for the 100-round.

Do I have to download my magazine to seat it in the weapon with the bolt closed?
A. No. SureFire HCMs will fit into the host weapon with the bolt closed when loaded with the maximum round count. The design of the magazine takes into account the allowable tolerances of cartridges manufactured to NATO and SAAMI specifications.

Q. Will my 60 round magazine fit into my nylon gear for 30 round magazines?
A. The SureFire MAG5-60 will fit into most nylon pouches with Velcro cover flaps intended for two 30 round magazines. Double magazine pouches with stitched partitions may require alteration.

Q. Will SureFire be offering nylon pouches for these magazines?
A. Yes. Product specifics and pricing is still to be determined.

Q. Can SureFire HCM’s be disassembled for cleaning?
A. Yes, the SureFire HCMs can be disassembled for periodic cleaning or as required. A punch, the tip of a cartridge or common tool can be used to remove the floor plate from the magazine body.

Q. What dealers will have access to HCM’s?
A. Authorized SureFire dealers in states with no high capacity regulations. Rules and processes are being developed for dealers located in states with regulations (CA, HI, IL, MD, MA, NY, OH, DC).”




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Default Re: Surefire Hi-Cap Magazines!

That price makes for one hell of a hard sell.

Yeah, it's less expensive than a betamag and the 60 rounder is a lot easier to carry, but the 100 rounder isn't, and it's almost comical to see in an AR at that length.

And there's Magpul Pmags out there for $11 bucks or so.
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Old 12-06-2010
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Default Re: Surefire Hi-Cap Magazines!

They state the 100-rounder is for the USMC IAR...

Two things are sure, BTW:

1 - They have beaten MAGPUL this time. The Colorado guys have patented a 60-rounder, quad-stack 5'56mm P-MAG earlier this year, but looks like SUREFIRE was faster into putting the thing into practice.

2 - We Italians were even faster than that! Remember the SITES "Spectre" M4? Mr. Claudio Gritti, the inventor, had 30-rds and 50-rds quad-stack magazines for 9mm and .45-Acp produced and put on the market in the 1980s already. Just how difficult was the overall concept to accept and implement for all these years?
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Default Re: Surefire Hi-Cap Magazines!

I don't know, it seems more likely to me that Surefire and Magpul are in a joint venture, rather than Surefire beating Magpul to production.

Magpul's patent application has been public knowledge for half a year, so it's incredibly unlikely that Surefire is releasing a product that's so blatantly the same design without Magpul being in on it.

My guess is, Surefire paid Magpul to license the design, and Magpul agreed because Surefire's in a better position to sell to the military, because of all the red tape that they've already gone through.
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Default Re: Surefire Hi-Cap Magazines!

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2 - We Italians were even faster than that! Remember the SITES "Spectre" M4? Mr. Claudio Gritti, the inventor, had 30-rds and 50-rds quad-stack magazines for 9mm and .45-Acp produced and put on the market in the 1980s already. Just how difficult was the overall concept to accept and implement for all these years?


The quad stack magazines came out well before this with the Hafdasa SMGs that held 40 rounds in .45 ACP and 50 rounds in 9mm.
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Default Re: Surefire Hi-Cap Magazines!

Also, don't the 9mm coffin mags for the Suomi have some sort of multi-stack thing going on?
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Also, don't the 9mm coffin mags for the Suomi have some sort of multi-stack thing going on?

Yeah I think so. I had a Suomi dummy gun years bad, and I remember the mag was rather weird.
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