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Is there anything like that in USA?

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Why didn't you include some information with the picture so it could be added to the phto archive as well as educate the rest of us here? :mad:

What's up with that Huh?
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Default Nice toy, Ed.

It is an ALSETEX launcher, isn't it? I recently discovered that here in Italy we can purchase (it's imported) the MR-35 "Punch Ball" from Manurhin, but I don't see the utility of having a less-lethal gun when it is regulated by law just like any other shotgun... I'd better buy some "Fiocchi Anticrimine" less-than-lethal 12-gauge rounds for a normal shotgun that I can load with lethal ammunitions if necessary.
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If the average Joe has come to point where he has to shoot someone, then it's probably a good idea to used deadly force. You and me are not the police, and we don't have the same resources they do to deal with a live and injured perp.

Besides, "less-lethal". The possibility of killing someone still exists, anyhow.
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it is less than lethal, not less lethal.

the Flash-Ball generates the stopping power of a .38 Special. By virtue of projectiles studied to avoid, even at extremely short distances, penetrating a normally clothed person, the Flash-Ball provokes on impact the equivalent of a technical KO. The opponent is then disabled. This major advantage has been observed by security professionals as the Flash-Ball officially equips a large number of law enforcement agencies.

http://flash-ball.com/pages-us/i_fb_tech.htm

go down the page, click the video link

MR Punch was a precursor, ALSETEX are different products used in riot control.
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A weapon which looks like a deterrent : 44 mm barrels and the bang of explosion : equivalent to a 12 gauge

Wow. That would never fly in American offensive/defensive products marketing. Too un-PC .
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Lightbulb Manurhin MR-35 less-than-lethal gun.

A.k.a. the "Flash-ball" or "Punch-Ball". Here are some pictures and specs from the Italian NATIONAL FIREARMS CATALOGUE entirely hosted in the website of the Italian National Police (http://www.poliziadistato.it - to browse the NATIONAL FIREARMS CATALOGUE, that is the list of the firearms approved for civilian ownership in Italy, click on the option "CATALOGO NAZIONALE ARMI" on the lower left of the webpage and enter your query; please mind that the website is only in Italian, that it doesn't comprises the hunting shotguns, and that pictures are available only for a very small part of the templates).

I'm putting them up here just in case somebody (read: TJ) would want to add them on the gallery. For more informations/news, refere to ED.
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MANURHIN MR-35 "Punch" less-than-lethal launcher

Following specs and pictures from: the Italian NATIONAL FIREARMS CATALOGUE, hosted by the website of the Italian National Police.

TYPE OF WEAPON: Artifacts launching carbine.

DENOMINATION: Manurhin Mr-35 "Punch/f" or "Punch/p"

CALIBER/GAUGE: 35mm rubber baton in 12-gauge shotshell chamber.

NUMBER AND TYPE OF BARRELS: One, smoothbore

CAPACITY: 5 rounds

BARREL LENGHT: 280 Millimetres (both versions)

TOTAL LENGHT: 825 Millimetres ("Punch/f" model) / 518 Millimetres ("Punch/p" models)

WORKING SYSTEM: Semi-automatic, gas-operated

COUNTRY OF MANUFACTURE/IMPORT: France

IMPORTER IN ITALY: Giuseppe Gabarino, CEO of "Prima Armi SNC"

IMPORT IN ITALY AUTHORIZED AS FAR AS FROM: 04/24/1997

http://www.poliziadistato.it/pds/arm...115&t=d&zoom=1
MANURHIN MR-35 "Punch-Ball" less-than-lethal launcher - Variant F - Right side view

http://www.poliziadistato.it/pds/arm...115&t=s&zoom=1
MANURHIN MR-35 "Punch-Ball" less-than-lethal launcher - Variant F - Left side view

http://www.poliziadistato.it/pds/arm...114&t=d&zoom=1
MANURHIN MR-35 "Punch-Ball" less-than-lethal launcher - Variant P - Right side view

http://www.poliziadistato.it/pds/arm...114&t=s&zoom=1
MANURHIN MR-35 "Punch-Ball" less-than-lethal launcher - Variant P - Left side view
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My idea of less than lethal is reloading some 12g hulls with a little powder and a peice of dowling.
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Default plenty of less than lethal products in the states

Most LTL weapons are reserved for police, military, and private security agencies. The most popular these days are pepperballs-- paintballs filled with a capsin and pepper compound like super mace.
http://www.pepperball.com/home_b.asp
Among other products are rounds for shattering glass, marking suspects, and there's talk of a tracking module with a gps locator to tag vehicles and then chase down later on.
Among their products is the SA-10

Thise "marker" is produced by the paintball company I do small time articles for-- Ariakon.
The pistol is an ACP (Ariakon Combat Pistol--look for a review soon in the sports category on here) with special low velocity rings and pneumatic cupseal.
It is a closed blowback pneumatic marker that uses 12gram CO2 cartridges and a ten-round top feed magazine. A set of retaining rods at the top lock into hooks on the upper reciever and released using a throw latch, thus enabling for a rapid replacement.
Accurate to 60 feet at a velocity of 270fps (300 is considered a maximum--you break bones at 400fps) and capable of up to 25 shots per cartridge. There is a delrin bolt option, and due to the low surface friction rating of Delrin, enables the user to get off a possible extra 10 shots before needing a fresh cartridge.
While pepperballs or cs capsules are illegal for civillians to own in certain states, many people are requesting their use among private citizens as an alternative to other LTL items for self defense such as pepper spray or tazers.

Many police departments have taken to pepperball technologies over similar products due to speed restrictors after last year's boston incident. Less than lethal is not less lethal as that incident showed us when a young lady was struck in the eye with a pepperball.
One less favored model is the FN303 which uses encapsulated rounds that have stabilizes on the back end. The down side to the design is the ammunition itself-- those stabilizers must be infelxible to create sufficient air displacement. As such you're hitting people with plastic wads that are lethal.

303 round:
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Originally Posted by Edmond
it is less than lethal, not less lethal.
The Flash-Ball is a less lethal weapon, the MR35 Punch Ball is a less-than-lethal weapon...


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