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Didnt mean to cause TJ extra work
And i was a bit unfair when it comes to the ''portugese" the are more or less indistingusihable consider yourself upgraded to 2 points. When it comes to earmi.it it is not always the most reliable source even thought the wast amount of pics make up for it... Heres 2pics of M976 & M986 to show the likeness
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Here the Sig MP-48:
http://www.defenseonline.com.cn/weap...q/cfq00065.htm
http://www.hbej.com/news1/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=421

Here too but with your picture:
http://www.regimentals.jp/detail_gun.php?id=245

It's not clear...


For the FBP M976, nothing on Google. For me on your 2 pictures it's the same weapon...
Pierangelo the King of Trivia HELP please.

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That is not the MP48!! it is the SIG MP-34 MKMS (Maschinen-karabiner Militärmodell Seitlich) http://www.earmi.it/armi/atlas2/673.htm Here you can see a list of swiss SMG's but also the problem with EARMI since 94-4 mysteriously dissapeared (which is the MP48).
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In 1933 a weaponsdesigner named Gaetz of the Swiss Neuhausen factory designed the MKMO submachinegun (according some sources also Gottard End co-designed it with Gaetz). In 1934 bolt and extractor of the weapon were improved and this improved version was named MKMS. Both weapons had also shorter police-versions - MKPO and MKPS. MKMS submachineguns were manufactured in several calibres: 9 mm x 19 Parabellum, 7.65 mm x 21 Parabellum, 9 mm Colt and 9 mm Steyr. Between 1933 - 1939 S.I.G. (Schweizerische Industrie Gesellscharft Neuhausen) manufactured 1,228 of these four (MKMO, MKPO, MKMS and MKPS) submachineguns in small batches. From these four versions the police-versions were manufactured only in very small quantities. So, S.I.G. manufactured only few hundred MPMS. Compared to most submachineguns of that time MKMS was very long and had magazine-holder structure that allowed folding magazine forwards inside weapons front stock. The firing mechanism used in this submachinegun was also somewhat unusual - the trigger had two stages, one for single shots of semiautomatic fire and another stage for full automatic fire. The barrel used in MKMS was also one of the longest ever used in submachinegun and thanks to this the distance between sights was also very long (450-mm) for SMG. The rear had settings 1 - 10 (for 100 - 1000 meters), which can only be considered very optimistic and quite ridiculous at the same time. Rather unusual for submachineguns the weapons equipment included bayonet. The magazines had been built so that once magazine was fired empty it locked the weapons bolt back.

Calibre:7,65mmx21 Parabellum / 9mmx19 Parabellum
Length:1025 mm
Barrel length:500 mm
Weight:3,9 kg
Fire-rate:800rpm
Magazine:box: 40
Magazine weight:0,28 kg empty / 0,71 kg full
Official abbreviations:
"7,65 kp/Neuh." and "765 KP NEUHAUSEN"
"9,00 kp/Neuh." and "900 KP NEUHAUSEN"
Country of origin:Switzerland
Production: Late 1930's.
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The "Maschinen-karabiner Militärmodell Seitlich m/34 - MKMS" (aka Sig MP-34) is not the same model than this smg:


http://www.jaegerplatoon.net/MACHINEPISTOLS2.htm


http://www.defenseonline.com.cn/weap...q/cfq00065.htm
http://www.hbej.com/news1/ShowArticle.asp?ArticleID=421
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When you two get done hammering on each other and come to an agrement let me know so I can put the right thing up.
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You are absolutely right about that i didnt examine the pictures close enough what we have there is a spin-off (or the designers were influenced by MKMO). It is the hungarian Danuvia 39M (Top) 43M (bottom) 9x25mmMauser 40 750rpm mfg1939-45


The Danuvia series of weapons were designed by Pal Kiraly in the 1930s and used a patented two-part delayed blowback bolt. The ammunition they used was the very powerful 9mm Mauser round. The weapons are very large resembling a carbine or light rifle rather than a submachinegun and rather resemble the Swiss SiG MkMO sub-machine gun. About 8000 were made.
The fire selector/safety is the circular cap on the rear of the receiver which is rotated to one of three settings; 'E' for semiautomatic fire, 'S' for automatic fire and 'Z' for safe. The magazine could be folded forward into a recess in the stock, and then a plate snapped over the magazine well. (fr. Jedsite.info)
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Now it's you who are right. Then the Trivia No. C is a:
SIG MP48/MKMS 9mm

http://www.regimentals.jp/detail_gun.php?id=245#top
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I hope now we can agree that the pic is not an MP48 but in fact some unreliable chinese people who has made a misstake. Hmm Starting to sound like a real besserwisser here, not my intention.
If u look at EARMI's pics it might be even clearer (http://www.earmi.it/armi/atlas2/636.htm) that the: 70-1 - 39M
70-2 - 43M is the same as the MP48.
And thanks for the intense crossfire Roger
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... And thanks for the intense crossfire Roger

Thanks too... It's this that I like in the Trivia.
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