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Old 04-23-2006
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Default Fighting Ignorance

While things are slowly beginning to get better Canada is not known for being firearm friendly (anymore). I find this to be because of the same reason as everywhere else. Unfounded fears, hysteria over tragic events and downright ignorance. Leads me to my question, without a well funded grassroots organization like the NRA how do you go about changing peoples minds as well as those of politicians.

We now have a fairly firearm friendly government but the grip of the Liberals refuses to let go in terms of our ridiculous registry. Any attempt to roll back any previously passed laws will be met with harsh criticism due to the usual reasons, so how do we effectively fight for our rights? I am aware of Canadian firearms groups but they are beyond ineffective. Is anyone knowledgable on the political climate in NZ before and after their registry?

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It depends on what you want, I guess. No registry? I've heard bits and pieces that many provincial authorities haven't enforced the registry, and I've also heard rumors that the new government will do away with it. But I'm an American, so I don't really keep up on Canadian gun policy that much.

From what little I know about Canadian culture, you'll probably have a tough time convincing the general populace that you have a right to more than a deer rifle.

I have an off-topic question about Canadian firearms licenses: do they allow to receive guns through the mail?
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Shipping guns across country is very easy. Getting the gun where it is going undamaged is another thing.
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Default It will always be.

As long as politicians will want to ban civilian-owned guns as recently proposed in Toronto, in response to criminal attacks that have poor or nothing to do to the legal possession of them. Look at the British example: zero guns in the hands of citizens, machineguns galore in the hands of criminals. Now that some street thugs have performed robberies and other predatory acts with Airsoft weapons, they are trying to pass a law to ban them. Not thinking that this will make criminals turn to baseball bats, knives, axes, and REAL guns.
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My god PT, for being a self professed communist you certainly showed a degree of critical thinking skills that are usually absent from that political group.
As a Libertarian, I consider myself a leftist in the old tradition. I am part of the the left wing that Stalin hated because they are anti-statist lefties, in the spirit of Rothbardian individual anarchism and state minarchism.

In addition, I think the typical association of libertarianism with the right (aka Republicans that want to get high) is dangerous and weakens us as a revolutionary leftist ideology from the 1800s. :-P
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For being a self professed communist you certainly showed a degree of critical thinking skills that are usually absent from that political group.

As I stated so many times, it's interesting how people outside of Europe has very little knowledge of how the social/communist movements have developed after World War 2.

The PCI ("Partito Comunista Italiano", or ICP, "Italian Communist Party") was the strongest leftist force in Western Europe, not to mention that it was the biggest Communist Party in the Western world, so that the Christian-Democratic party had to coalize for 50 years with the Italian Socialist and Social-Democratic parties and with the Italian Liberal and Republican parties to obtain about 5% of votes more than the PCI to stop them from being the winner party and govern Italy.
What is generally unknown (or unbelieved) by many, is that the PCI started what was later called the "Euro-Communism": an "Italian and European route to Socialism" that included the condemnation of the Soviet regime and cold relationship with red China (the "model of Socialist state" for the PCI has been for long time Tito's Federal Socialist Republic of Yugoslavia, a non-aligned country), and the acceptance for Italy of a role in the "Western" world as allied of the USA and part of NATO (even if the goal would have been turning Italy into a Non-Aligned Country). Back already in the 1960s, proposals from inside the PCI itself were made to drop the "Communist" word in the name and call ourselves "Worker's Unitarian Socialist Party". Since then, the PCI political agenda has been more akin to a social-democratic doctrine.

The moral of the fairy is: Learn before you talk...
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Default we've seen how well that works lol

We've all seen how well the Keynesian welfare state has worked in the long term, as far as "European path to socialism"
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Shipping guns across country is very easy. Getting the gun where it is going undamaged is another thing.

But can they be shipped directly to your home, or do they have to be shipped to a local dealer in your area for you to pick up?
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no matter where you ship it...
there's regs against almost everything. Most paintballers and airsoft players I know in Canada have a difficult time getting anything through customs. And there's actually bans against some types of military style weapons-- for example, one person I know was devestated to find out he couldn't take his SL9 with him to canada.
At least it isn't Britain.
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Default Keynesian Welfare state.

It still works. It HAS worked very well and STILL does; believe me, you are hearing it from one whose brother has been saved by the gratuitous National Health System cares. Nonetheless, the governments that tried to get rid of it had to back off from such stances after the social tensions raised to uncontrollable levels.
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