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Default A Religion of "Peace"

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I really like these following quotes:

Much that is called religion carries an unconscious attitude of hostility toward life. True religion must teach that life is filled with joys pleasing to the eye of God, that knowledge without action is empty. All men must see that the teaching of religion by rules and rote is largely a hoax. The proper teaching is recognized with ease. You can know it without fail because it awakens within you that sensation which tells you this is something you've always known.


Religion often partakes of the myth of progress that shields us from the terrors of an uncertain future.


All men seek to be enlightened. Religion is but the most ancient way in which men have striven to make sense out of the universe. Scientists seek the lawfulness of events. True religion should seek to fit man into this lawfulness.

They all come from the same source. I wonder if anyone recognizes them
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ALL religions require an "enemy" to fight, in either way, and killing when fighting the enemy of the faith is NOT a sin in ALL religions. This includes Christianship.
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ALL religions require an "enemy" to fight, in either way, and killing when fighting the enemy of the faith is NOT a sin in ALL religions.


It is in Judaism.

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Spare us the warmed-over dialectic of class-struggle, PT.

There's only one religion, and one worldwide violent movement, which includes the madate for unending war against non-believers. You know bloody well which one.
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ALL religions require an "enemy" to fight, in either way, and killing when fighting the enemy of the faith is NOT a sin in ALL religions. This includes Christianship.

SDA's don't believe that, and I find it offensive that you have leveled that accusation.

Janists probably aren't too happy either.

Sects of Buddhism might have opponents, but overall the concept doesn't believe in evil so there aren't "enemies" for Buddhism in most interpretations.

PT, you have repeatedly proven completely unable to comprehend spiritual belief in any way shape or form. This very unfair and extremely ignorant statement you have made.

By the way, you do have a religious belief; Marxism, and it does fit the criteria you have stated. And it is just as firmly founded in reality as you have accused any other religion of being.
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לא תרצח

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SDA's don't believe that, and I find it offensive that you have leveled that accusation.

Janists probably aren't too happy either.

Sects of Buddhism might have opponents, but overall the concept doesn't believe in evil so there aren't "enemies" for Buddhism in most interpretations.

There is a specific reason why them do NOT. The reason is that them are not "organized" religions at the level of Christianship (Catholicism, at least) and Islam. Because big organized religions are just a way to control the people bypassing the only power that's actually legitimate to "control" (bad word, sorry) people, and that's the "Temporal" power, the power of the STATE, commanded by representants regularly elected by the People. I state downside: politics is fully legitimate to "have" or "require" an enemy. Organized religions aren't, but do just the same because they want to replace the State as a mean of direct control over the people. The true dream of the Pope, of the Ayatollahs, of the Rabbis, actually is just one that they share: the TEOCRACY. Some of these people succeeded in the past (Catholic Popes); some of these people have realized their dream in the present (Ayatollahs in Iran and, partially, Talibans in Afghanistan); some of these people would wish to realize their dream in the future (the excessive influence of the Jewish orthodoxes over the Israeli policy and the excessive influence of the Muslim clerics and other religious lobbies over the policies of Turkey, Egypt and other moderated Countries of Middle East and northern Africa).

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PT, you have repeatedly proven completely unable to comprehend spiritual belief in any way shape or form. This very unfair and extremely ignorant statement you have made.

What I instead feel to be ABLE to comprehend is that believing that there actually exists some thing as a deity or a superior entity is an insult to the millennias of human evolution and achievements.

I mean, do you -REALLY- think that there's some long-bearded guy, up there, who knows what you do and what you think and watches you 24/7, and he has a special list of 10 things that he doesn't wants you to do, and if you do one of these things you go in a very hot, flaming place, with ugly sods armed with pitchforks will torture for the rest of the eternity? But HE LOVES, you, of course. And he NEEDS your charity donations for his "messengers on Earth".

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By the way, you do have a religious belief; Marxism, and it does fit the criteria you have stated.


Marxism is -NOT- a religous belief, it is a phylosophical doctrine. Now, THIS is an "extremely ignorant statement": mistake a phylosophical doctrine for a religious belief.

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And it is just as firmly founded in reality as you have accused any other religion of being.

Again: that's POLITICS. Politics can or can not "have" or "require" enemies, but politics is FULLY LEGITIMATED to "have" or "require" enemies, unlike religion which should gather people all toegether above their political differences.
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Translate, please.

לא תרצח
Lo tear'tsakh.

No murder.

That simple statment is the sixth part of the Aseret ha'Davarim [ten statements, ten commandments].


There's no little * on it that has a "*unless murdering a goyim" at the bottom of the page. It applies equally to Jew and gentile.

That is why Moshe was punished by G-d for killing an Egyptian, who was an enemy of Judaism.


For a more literal translation, it's something like this: "You Just Got P\/\/|\|3|)!!1!1pne!!"
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I, and I would expect most other Christians (and Jews) would never harm an a Muslim just because he is a Heathen(or Goyim) unless he was a physical threat to us,or liable to become one, and this is how the Lord expects us to behave. However Islam teaches that any person who is not Muslim should be murdered because they are the Infidel, and do conform to their morally warped religion.

I've been accused a few times of 'not being Catholic' because I don't believe in every word as-its-written in the Bible (like turning the other cheek when someone is kicking your head in, very noble but liable to result in a very short lifespan) or every directive from Rome (for example being forbidden from using contraception which is just silly, the genepool is fucked up enough as it is without me adding my seed). The fact is I try and live a good and moral life- I believe in one true God, I support charity, I don't lie, steal, murder people etc and I'm very restrained toward people expressing their own views about all things even when all I can thing about is kicking their stupid ignorant heads in. I believe that people who try to live a good and moral life are as deserving as anyone to salvation, that might of been something a Jew taught me actually.
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I dont ever recall any of the things you have quoted me saying.
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