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Full 10mm ammo is head and shoulders above both .45 ACP AND .357 Magnum. It can perform almost precisely as an autoloading substitute for .41 Magnum. Is it a "magnum"? By potential power, yes. It simply doesn't bear the term magnum in its name... but then neither does .50 AE, or .440 Cor Bon, or a number of other "magnum" rounds. It IS a magnum round though, and the MP5/10 is the closest thing you can get to a purpose built magnum smg.

It is also the only magnum class cartridge with magazine capacities regularly over 10, and can be had as a concealable autoloader. It is nothing like .45 ACP, it has power and ballistics that put the .45 ACP to shame.
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May be the 10mm Auto don't have not the "Magnum" name because there is the 10mm Wildey Magnum (almost 3 times more powerful than the 10mm Auto, bullets are the same ones).
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Default 10mm Wildey Magnum.

Interesting. Can you point me out which guns are chambered for it? Particular accent on semi-auto pistols, if any...
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From what I found googling around, it seems there is no such thing as a 10mm Wildey Magnum.

But, there has been a 10mm Magnum, a short-lived proprietary (wildcat ?) cartridge from AMT/IAI dating back to 1992 (an Automag IV had been chambered for it).

Case length was 1.242" instead of .991" for the regular 10 Auto.

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http://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt10mag.htm
http://nordicg3k.tripod.com/id7.html



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I have also heard of the 10mm Wildey, but never confirmed that there actually is such a round. As i understood it came up as one of the many optional calibers for the Wildey Automag pistol. There really is a 11mm Wildey Magnum which uses a .475 Winchester Magnum case and necked it down to 11mm. But since this exists i think it may be a name-confusion, maybe the 10mmWM could be the wildey necked down .45Win Magnum? There also a Wildey-Wildcat called the .41 Wildey Magnum which very well might be the missing one we are talking about.

The 475 Wildey is based on the 284 Winchester cartridge cut off to 1.395 inches then neck reamed to handle the 475 bullets. The cartridge is the same length as the 45 Winchester Magnum, however, of greater diameter. Case forming dies for this cartridge are available from both RCBS and Wildey Incorporated. Bullets for the 475 Wildey Magnum are available from Barnes bullets in American Fork, Utah.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.475_Wildey_Magnum http://www.hawkbullets.com/wildey.htm
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Interesting. Can you point me out which guns are chambered for it? Particular accent on semi-auto pistols, if any...
Wildey pistols since 1991. Personally I never saw one of these guns…
.45 and .475 Wildey Magnum excepted there are also these Wildey Magnum ammunition:

.30 Wildey Magnum (7,62mm): It’s the most powerful .30 calibers for handguns.
Manufacturer: Wildey
Bullet: 7,1 grammes (110 grains) FMJ or half-FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 706 m/s (2316 ft/s)
Muzzle Energy: 180 Kgm / 1766 Joules (1302 ft-lb)

10mm Wildey Magnum: Half-industrial cartridge for pistols, marketed in 1991, almost 3 times more powerful than the 10mm Auto, bullets are the same ones.
Manufacturer: Wildey

Bullet: 13 grammes (200 grains) FMJ or half-FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 562 m/s (1844 ft/s)
Muzzle Energy: 209 Kgm / 2050 Joules (1512 ft-lb)

Bullet: 14,3 grammes (220 grains) FMJ or half-FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 546 m/s (1791 ft/s)
Muzzle Energy: 217 Kgm / 2129 Joules (1570 ft-lb)

11 Wildey Magnum: Half-industrial cartridge for the "Metallic Silhouette" shooting, marketed in 1991 by Wildey, about 2 times more powerful than the .44 Remington Magnum.
Manufacturer: Wildey

Bullet: 13 grammes (200 grains) FMJ or half-FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 618 m/s (2028 ft/s)
Muzzle Energy: 253 Kgm / 2482 Joules (1830 ft-lb)

Bullet: 15,6 grammes (240 grains) FMJ or half-FMJ
Muzzle Velocity: 531 m/s (1742 ft/s)
Muzzle Energy: 224 Kgm / 2197 Joules (1620 ft-lb)

Other source:
This list is from the Netbook of Firearms
Wildey: .45 Win Mag/ .353 Wildey Mag/ 10mm Wildey Mag/ 11mm Wildey Mag/ 475 Wildey Mag

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=13773
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Cant find any of these on their current homepage

Some data on the .41 Wildey magnum

PS this link http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=13773 is a roleplaying site refering on to a non existing old site, and thus not very reliable. Where is the data from? Do you have a catalog or something?

Here is a comparision between .357magnum and 10mm auto
http://ammoguide.com/?tool=bcompare&...c45%7c30%7c143

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I guess I hadn't searched hard enough.

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Cant find any of these on their current homepage
they don't mention anything beside .45 Win Mag, .475 Wildey Mag and .44 Automag.

Have looked up in my 9th edition CotW : nothing more.
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PS this link http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=13773 is a roleplaying site refering on to a non existing old site, and thus not very reliable. Where is the data from? Do you have a catalog or something?
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My source is a french book "Guillaume Tell" No.16 by Raymond Caranta, weapons journalist (books and monthly magazine)

http://images.google.com/images?hl=f...r=&sa=N&tab=wi
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Sounds to me like this 10mm Magnum cartridge would hurt the firer as much as the victim lol.
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